Portugese FMP clones???

[retrodog]

Could you explain the differences of the SAR3 and the SAR8? Which do you feel is the best model?

The early SAR-8s were just SAR-3s with an 8 stamped over the 3. So they are lovingly referred to as an "SAR-3 overstamp" in some cases. They just did that to chage the name and make them importable after one of the gun bans that banned them by name only.

At some point, they also changed the furniture. Later on, The SAR-8 became this lesser quality rifle built on an alloy receiver. It's known as being worth only about what the parts kit would be that it has in it.

[Andrew]

They are the same rifle, it's just stamped with a different model number to get around U.S. government infringements on our right to bear arms. However, the SAR-3 and SAR-8 overstamped are preban rifles, so they are better because then you don't have to deal with more U.S. government infringements which require you to add 7 U.S. parts when replacing the fake U.S. government required flash suppressor and thumb hole stock.

In summary, all varying model numbers are due to our government infringing upon our right to bear arms. Here are the best to worst, but they are all essentially the same rifle:

G3
SAR-3
SAR-8 overstamped on SAR-3
SAR-8 (post ban) - U.S. government requires 922r compliance to swap parts.
SAR-8 (US D.C. Industries junk aluminum receiver) only buy for parts, $500

Nice progression from G3 to junk, eh?

Thanks to our representatives violating our supreme law.

[retrodog]

They are the same rifle, it's just stamped with a different model number to get around U.S. government infringements on our right to bear arms. However, the SAR-3 and SAR-8 overstamped are preban rifles, so they are better because then you don't have to deal with more U.S. government infringements which require you to add 7 U.S. parts when replacing the fake U.S. government required flash suppressor and thumb hole stock.

In summary, all varying model numbers are due to our government infringing upon our right to bear arms. Here are the best to worst, but they are all essentially the same rifle:

HK-91
SAR-3
SAR-8 overstamped on SAR-3
SAR-8 (post ban) Requires 922r compliance to swap parts.

FYP.

[Andrew]

FYP? What's that mean?

If we wanted to include HK we would have an even longer list. I was referring to the semi-auto Springfield Armory G3 from EBO.

[retrodog]

FYP? What's that mean?

If we wanted to include HK we would have an even longer list. I was referring to the semi-auto Springfield Armory G3 from EBO.

What makes the SA G3 better than the SAR3?

[AGC]

PTR rifles are actually made on FMP machinery - minus the important ingredient of the cold hammer forged barrel. I rate the quality of the FMP just below the EBO. Others here seem to think it's on par with HK, which I guarantee, it is not. I don't think the manufacturing and quality of steel is up to par, but then HK set a pretty high standard and is hard to match.

Which exact model is it? I would say that's a little high right now unless it has extra accessories. I bought a new XG3S for $1100 in December, so I would suggest offering that, especially since prices are coming down even further. There are a couple of EBO rifles on Gunbroker right now for about $1000.

So, precisely what is it that makes an H&K-made G3 better than a Rhinemetal-made G3, versus an EBO or an FMP?

Welded stamped sheet-metal receivers and mass-produced parts turned out on automated tooling, using the same garden-variety steels, and sprayed with a coat of paint, do not constitute anything special in the way of "quality."

[Andrew]

What makes the SA G3 better than the SAR3?

Nothing but collectible value.

[N4KVE]

What makes the SA G3 better than the SAR3?

Nothing, except the people selling a "G3" marked rifle because they made so few of them, before the name was changed to SAR3. So these sellers think they're worth an extra $300-$500. LOL. There was one for sale last week in HK 91 price territory. GARY N4KVE

[Andrew]

So, precisely what is it that makes an H&K-made G3 better than a Rhinemetal-made G3, versus an EBO or an FMP?

Welded stamped sheet-metal receivers and mass-produced parts turned out on automated tooling, using the same garden-variety steels, and sprayed with a coat of paint, do not constitute anything special in the way of "quality."

Probably most important is the quality and grade of steel and how it's forged, treated, and welded. But there's also levels of precision, tolerance, and quality control.

[JCook]

I have a G3K build on an FMP receiver, it runs perfectly.