Are the various Clone issues fixable...??

[retrodog]

I probably clean my MP5 (CA89 w/ sear) about every 2000-3000 rounds. Same on the V53 and V93. I haven't reached that many rounds on the 53 or 93 so I still haven't cleaned them yet.

They run just fine while dirty.

[Blackwing]

I recently had a new clone from a popular custom builder brought to my shop for a third opinion on some major issues. The builder apparently noticed the fault in their maufacturing and rather than go back and properly correct the root-cause issue, the builder attempted work-around fixes for the symptoms which alleviated one issue only to create several more. I deemed the firearm unsafe and it is my understanding that it is being returned to the builder for refund

It is unfortunate that some builders put more empahsis on how quickly they can build and deliver a firearm rather than the quality or more importantly, the safety of the firearm.

I would tread very carefully here, guy. You are one step short of outright libel with malice. Your opinion is not a defense for defamation.

[U.S. Praetorian]

They run just fine while dirty.

If you are not familiar with these guns, it is the nature of the beast that these get real dirty real quick but as stated, "run fine dirty". The chambers are fluted because they are direct blowback as far as this cycle of function goes and the flutes aid in extraction as the gasses flow into the chamber and around the case = mucho residue. You could run thousands of rounds before you need to clean and will probably never need to change the barrel from wear.

[ghilliebear2000]

Hey guys the weapon that chopstick is referring to is one of of my builds, The customer is a very good customer in the first time the weapon came back it was due to a bent area in cocking tube channel and the weapon was dirty and had powder residue in the weapon unknown how this occurred. When he picked it up from his dealer. We offered to attempt to fix whatever damage occurred and refinish the firearm and ship it back to the customer with no charge and we did. The customer contact me after three weeks stating that he had not fired the gun and had Joe look at the gun and said that there was a problem with the trunnion alignment I offered the customer a new receiver rebuilt with no charge or refund the the complete price of the weapon including the kit and shipping and any other little parts. The customer has personal things going on at this time and we both agreed on a refund without seeing the gun as of today I paid full price plus shipping to the customer reimbursement with overnight shipping. We should have the gun in very soon to verify the problem. In the manufacturing process problems can happen it's how you take care of those problems. But I can say we do our very best we can and after 10 years of manufacturing we've had very few weapons come back and when they have we've always made right by the customer. This is how you do business. And again I apologize to the customer's for the problems he has had with this project.

And Joe please make sure you Ins the gun when you ship it back Thank you ,,

Hkpro menber DucRyder CMP F

[rhouston8]

Ghillie,

It takes a certain type of man to post a response as you just did dude. Kudos and I applaud you for nipping any BS in the bud.
Seriously man....it's almost unheard of in the HK gun world and I and others Im sure respect your forthrightness and handling of such situations.

-Houston

(Disclaimer: I have clone builds from several well known builders, including ghillie...and are very happy with all of them. Also, I don't have any info on this particular gun/topic other than what was posted.)

[Chopstix Kid]

I would tread very carefully here, guy. You are one step short of outright libel with malice. Your opinion is not a defense for defamation.

Have I offended you, again? With all due respect, lighten up man.

[straightgrain]

Gents... Keep it professional.

[retrodog]

I would tread very carefully here, guy. You are one step short of outright libel with malice. Your opinion is not a defense for defamation.

I saw Malice. Not really much of a Nicole Kidman fan but she was pretty hot in this one. And I loved it when she killed Alec Baldwin. Great scene. Never saw Outright Libel though. How many tomatoes did it get?

[BigBaboon]

Trying to get back on topic here...

... I had been looking for a non-AR 5.56 rifle to bang away with... I had almost settled on the Sig 556 family, probably a Sig 551A1... and then I came across the C93 at a gun show. I passed on it (thankfully), but started looking at them, and then the other various clones.

I do really like the Sig 551A1, but am a little wary of the build quality due to the amount of negative comments I've seen out there. Of course, most of it could be internet mythology...

I'm a big HK fan, but can't justify spending the cash on an MR556 or genuine HK93. So it's really down to a V93 or a 551A1 at this point. That's why I ask about the clone issues, as I'm trying to develop an informed opinion so I can make an educated choice between the two rifles. I'm sure you guys will have some comments on that :) ....

[OLD HOCKLER]

Hey BBoon, you need an HK 93 clone. If you find one for a good price get it. As you have probably seen on this board kits are getting harder to find. Send it out to Ghillie if it's a turd. For me the 93's are built like a tank and accurate. Accessories are available to have it dressed up your way. Recoil is very light.The 93 I owned would group just as good as an AR. As so will be a properly built clone. I still have a target at 100yds with a five shot in a clover leaf dime sized group. You'll love it. For all the flame I may get they just don't seem fragile like the rest of the 5.56 market choices. And yes I own an ar and like it. It's just not a 93. It's a shame that all it takes is one problem build to cause angst on a board. I am amazed at how many variations of builds and calibers there are today. If a builder turns out crap and takes peoples money they aren't around long. Back in the late 80's early 90's you might send your nib hk 94 out for an mp-5 conversion and never see the gun or your money again. You can't even get some to answer a phone or return a call. They were small men with small shops and huge egos. They would come to the KCR machine gun shoot, show a couple builds. Of course everyone's stuff sucked but theirs. Jeff has for what I have seen on here and a few pieces in person done very good work and tackle, invent stuff that was only dreamed about years ago. If ever I have a clone that has problems or a financial gain to get a century 93 he will be my choice of who to call. From all the comments on here over the years his work and attitude, ethics are hard to find.