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    I was watching that kinda new homeland security show. And At least 2-3 departments use the usp. The air marshals, border patrol and there is at least one more. Thoughts?

    Also the air marshal's need to carry .45 so they do not punch through the airframe.
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    [QUOTE=Also the air marshal's need to carry .45 so they do not punch through the airframe.[/QUOTE]

    The USPc .40 LEM is standard issue to the pilots that participate in the FFDO (Federal Flight Deck Officer) program.
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    The air marshals use Sig P229s in .357 Sig caliber.

    As noted above, the FFDOs (armed PILOTS) are issued USPc .40s w/LEM.

    Sig and HK were "co-winners" in the last DHS "handgun trials". Federal agencies under DHS can choose which brand to use, and which model of the selected brand of several authorized.

    A reliable source told me that there is some federal fiat floating around regarding handgun service life; basically a justification for getting new ones every five years. If true, a new round of "tests" will be coming up soon.

    Wonder who will get the gravy THIS time???

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    Well I am in the military (Navy law enforcement) and we are switching over to the sig 9mm. Its like a 229 but labled m11. And I have the CHS level V certification(which is a big deal,there is an ID card and everything), so If I decide to go reserves I think I might take a DHS job and at least I will be familiar and love my side arm if I take one of those jobs that allow the carry of HK.

    And I just saw the H&K's on the show I didn't have time to check the caliber. And are you sure the air marshal's carry a .357 sig that is a strong round to have on a plane, It goes through alot of stuff before stopping, and currently I am doing mobile security for air craft and we have to download our 9mm. We were told the only round able to be fired on a plane was a .45. And by no means am I calling bullshit, you guys know more than I do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LSP 972 View Post

    Wonder who will get the gravy THIS time???
    where would we find said gravy........?

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    Quote Originally Posted by navyman8903 View Post

    Also the air marshal's need to carry .45 so they do not punch through the airframe.
    Please tell me you don't actually believe this?
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    No, but I know the .357 will go through walls. The 9mm idk about the military loads, they are 124 grain. But anything will crack the walls on a plane, they are held together with hopes and dreams. And I am not retarded. I was however told that .45 is the only carry load by a "raven" so I dont know.
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    Air Marshals use the Sig P229 in 357 Sig. If you do the research you will find that a rapidly expanding hollowpoint will penetrate less than a FMJ or many other HPs. Also, tests have been conducted on the penetration of the outer structure of an airframe and the results are not near as dramatic as you would believe by watching the movies.

    And by the way, don't believe everything you hear from a raven!!!
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    Customs uses the P2000 in .40.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sobriquet View Post
    Customs uses the P2000 in .40.

    +1 I thought that was one of the main reasons why the P2000 was developed because DHS as well as a few other agencies were requesting HK to manufacture a handgun to meet there standards...
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