HK45/HK45C design question.

[sargeist]

I think it all boils down to what works best for the individual and I believe that's why HK appeals to so many shooter's, the shooter can TAILOR their particular needs to about 9-10 differant configurations, look at the USP line up the P2000, p30 and Hk45 series are basically upgraded USP line for the 21st century. But like I said before that believe that's why I feel the HK line appeals to so many of us, we can change/configure to OUR OWN needs.

HKOREGUN

I agree, I don't think anyone is trying to dispute that in this thread.

What I'm trying to emphasize, which _JD_ highlighted two post before your's, is that I believe they would maximize and somewhat standardize the modularity that we've all come to love from HK if they adopted the rear decocking button from the P30/P2000 (the other 21st century USPs as you just put it) onto the HK45 line.

[HKOREGUN]

I agree, I don't think anyone is trying to dispute that in this thread.

What I'm trying to emphasize, which _JD_ highlighted two post before your's, is that I believe they would maximize and somewhat standardize the modularity that we've all come to love from HK if they adopted the rear decocking button from the P30/P2000 (the other 21st century USPs as you just put it) onto the HK45 line.

True but as Chuck said in the second post the P30 & P2000 series pistols were designed and marketed for the European LE community, while here in the good ol' USA we were influenced by the M1911 (Thank you John Moses Browning) and the come to love that "Thumb Safety" which is why so many of us like the USP V1 and HK45 & HK45c series. However with Hk's modular approach in it's design, the shooter can tailor their pistol to their particular needs. For example when the Swiss dumped the Sig P228 and went with the P30 it was based on their particular needs and HK's designed fit their needs, question I'm I just rambling here dabbling, makes any since Hummmm

[52brandon]

True but as Chuck said in the second post the P30 & P2000 series pistols were designed and marketed for the European LE community, while here in the good ol' USA we were influenced by the M1911 (Thank you John Moses Browning) and the come to love that "Thumb Safety" which is why so many of us like the USP V1 and HK45 & HK45c series. However with Hk's modular approach in it's design, the shooter can tailor their pistol to their particular needs. For example when the Swiss dumped the Sig P228 and went with the P30 it was based on their particular needs and HK's designed fit their needs, question I'm I just rambling here dabbling, makes any since Hummmm

I don't have a P2K or P30 (yet) but don't they still have a lever safety along with the decock button?

[HKOREGUN]

I don't have a P2K or P30 (yet) but don't they still have a lever safety along with the decock button?

I don't know about that as I do not own a P2000 series or a P30 style pistol however you or I can go over to the HK website and look into the specs of those series of pistols but the
P30 Series not sure what varient had the center decock wait I believe the P2000 series has a central decock button but, like I said not sure which varient had it, I'm a good ol fashioned 45 ACP guy myself.

[_JD_]

I don't have a P2K or P30 (yet) but don't they still have a lever safety along with the decock button?

The P2000 does not have the safety lever, the P30 can be had in DA/SA with our without the lever, the P30 as is, does not have the lever as the de-cocker is mounted on the rear of the slide (thank you P2000) while the P30S retains the slide mounted de-cocker but also included the manual safety that acts ONLY as a safety.

Personally, I think the P30/P2000 de-cocker is the better set up for those wanting a DA/SA gun, however some left-handed persons may disagree.

[curby]

Isn't getting a gun ready to go quickly more important? I'm a lefty and getting a P30L (should arrive today ). The decocker is difficult to get to even if I break my strong hand grip, but I figure that I only have to make safe and put away the pistol when I have more time on my hands. As long as the S is still HTF I've got other things to worry about. I'm no pro or competitive shooter though, so may be mistaken.

I'm also getting the forum gun, and may turn it into a decock only ambi lever so it's somewhat similar to the P30.

[starsnuffer]

It's a preference, that's why HK has all the different versions for trigger groups.

Personally, I've never had an issue decocking my USP's. I carry in condition 1, locked, loaded, with the safety on, simply because it is the manual of arms I am used to, and if I feel like "cowboying up" and carrying one of my 1911's, it will function in the exact same way I expect it to.

Honestly, I've never had to fire a USP in anger, but I've been through many training courses and other "high anxiety" courses with it, and never once did I negligently decock it. If I ever did, big deal, it still goes bang when you pull the trigger, and you all practice in DA mode just in case, right?

-W

[harrydog]

Since when is riding the safety on a 1911 considered "bad form"?

Yeah, that's news to me.

[01deuce]

Personally, I think the P30/P2000 de-cocker is the better set up for those wanting a DA/SA gun, however some left-handed persons may disagree.

That is the exact reason I first tried the LEM !

[DaZe831]

I love my HK45C, but hate the safety. If I didn't love HK so much, I'd carry a Sig. This is precisely why I'm converting mine to an LEM as my prior USPs were. A manual safety does not belong on a handgun.

If you are excellent with a USP, then why go with a HK45c which has features that you do not like? Does not make sense to me lol. That being said, I too am wondering, Why did you buy it?


Thanks for the link Pistol Shooter.