USPc .45 or HK45c? + P30L problems.

[Function]

HK USPc .45 vs. HK45c
Would somebody please try to convince me to consider an HK45c for my next pistol.

I own a USP .45 full size and have put a couple thousand rounds through it without a SINGLE issue ever. I also own a P30L 9mm V3 and have had quite a few problems with FTEs and a whole lot of stovepipes from a variety of factory ammunition (PMC bronze, WWB, to name a couple). Has anyone else had problems with their P30s? I haven't seen anything on the forums but positive things being said about the P30s.



I want to get something a bit more compact for my next HK, and pretty much have made up my mind that I want it to be chambered in .45. That being said, my choices are really between the USPc .45 and the HK45c. I am really leaning toward the USPc because of my experiences with my USP full size. The thing has been flawless and as we all know, USPs are so damn cool. I got to check out an HK45c at the local dealer the other day, and was impressed by the trigger, much more than my P30L anyways. I also liked the slimmer profile and greater ability to conceal if carried. However, I am not impressed by the O-ring or the almost $300 price difference. I am not too partial to the grip on the HK45c either. If it was a P30 grip, I'd be sold.

Does anyone have a good reason for me to spend the extra money and get the HK45c when a USPc .45 is arguably just as nice of a pistol with a longer track record of reliability? or is it 6 of one and a half dozen of the other?

Thanks

-Also, this is my first post on this forum. My apologies if this has been discussed previously and I just couldn't find it.-

[Darebear]

If you need convinced to buy a HK45c even after you spent time with it then I'd say the HK45c isn't what you really want and I would get the USP45c.

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Darebear nailed it I think. If you're happy with the USP type ergo's and the HK45c didn't "speak" to you, I would just go with the USPc 45 and not look back. How many rounds does your P30 have down the pipe? It's my understanding that particular gun often does better during break in with hotter 124gr ammo. Some have reported issues during break in using 115gr ammo.

Welcome to the forum and nice pic!

[Function]

Darebear nailed it I think. If you're happy with the USP type ergo's and the HK45c didn't "speak" to you, I would just go with the USPc 45 and not look back. How many rounds does your P30 have down the pipe? It's my understanding that particular gun often does better during break in with hotter 124gr ammo. Some have reported issues during break in using 115gr ammo.

Welcome to the forum and nice pic!

Thank you. and my P30 has about 550 rounds through it. All the rounds have been standard factory loaded 115gr. FMJs. All of the federal champion and federal American Eagle that I have put through it has been pretty good without any malfunctions. I haven't been able to find any reasonably priced +P stuff that wasn't JHP. I bought the P30 because it would be cheaper to shoot, but if I have to shoot +P JHPs all the time, then I'm better off without it.

Thanks for the feedback on the .45s. I guess I just hear everyone rave about their HK45s and when I went and checked one out, I didn't see what all the fuss was about and was seeking enlightenment.

[TooSixy]

It seems like you've already made up your mind. I'd say get the USPc .45 instead of HK45c.
You should have gone through 124gr ammo (or +P) to break in your P30L first. Then you can use any 115gr after it's broken in. You can get the 124gr +P ammo from sgammo.com (Winchester Mil-spec).

I broke in 2 of my P30s and P30Ls using these rounds and no problem whatsoever.

[deeHKman]

Thank you. and my P30 has about 550 rounds through it. All the rounds have been standard factory loaded 115gr. FMJs. All of the federal champion and federal American Eagle that I have put through it has been pretty good without any malfunctions. I haven't been able to find any reasonably priced +P stuff that wasn't JHP. I bought the P30 because it would be cheaper to shoot, but if I have to shoot +P JHPs all the time, then I'm better off without it.

Thanks for the feedback on the .45s. I guess I just hear everyone rave about their HK45s and when I went and checked one out, I didn't see what all the fuss was about and was seeking enlightenment.

I have a P30LS 9mm some of them only need a few boxes of 124gr Winchester Nato FMJ or other Nato 9mm ammo will do fine to help a minor spring break in period...this ammo is like around $10.00 a box then it will shoot any 115 gr. low power factor load's....

[Pistol Shooter]

Thank you. and my P30 has about 550 rounds through it. All the rounds have been standard factory loaded 115gr. FMJs. All of the federal champion and federal American Eagle that I have put through it has been pretty good without any malfunctions. I haven't been able to find any reasonably priced +P stuff that wasn't JHP. I bought the P30 because it would be cheaper to shoot, but if I have to shoot +P JHPs all the time, then I'm better off without it.

Thanks for the feedback on the .45s. I guess I just hear everyone rave about their HK45s and when I went and checked one out, I didn't see what all the fuss was about and was seeking enlightenment.

Pick up some Winchester NATO 9mm ammo.

Here:

Ammunition To Go : 500rds - 9mm Winchester NATO Mil-Spec 124gr. FMJ Ammo [Q4318] - $135.95

[quikz]

If you need convinced to buy a HK45c even after you spent time with it then I'd say the HK45c isn't what you really want and I would get the USP45c.

What ^^HE^^ said.

[BRJACKET]

My P30 had some ejects back to my face at first but never failed to fire or eject. I used only federal 115 grain. After about 500 rounds there were no more problems. I wound up getting a used P30L to go with it. I don't know what it is but I love that P30L. It eats anything I use and never a problem. I need to take the P30 out again but I just keep grabbing the Long version.

[orfeo]

. . . I want to get something a bit more compact for my next HK, and pretty much have made up my mind that I want it to be chambered in .45. That being said, my choices are really between the USPc .45 and the HK45c. I am really leaning toward the USPc because of my experiences with my USP full size. The thing has been flawless and as we all know, USPs are so damn cool. I got to check out an HK45c at the local dealer the other day, and was impressed by the trigger, much more than my P30L anyways. I also liked the slimmer profile and greater ability to conceal if carried. However, I am not impressed by the O-ring or the almost $300 price difference. I am not too partial to the grip on the HK45c either.

Does anyone have a good reason for me to spend the extra money and get the HK45c when a USPc .45 is arguably just as nice of a pistol with a longer track record of reliability? or is it 6 of one and a half dozen of the other? . . .

The two guns are essentially the same weapon under the hood. If you do not really require the universal accessory rail on the HK45 Compact, you are a righty, and the USP Compact 45 fits your hand size, then there is absolutely NO reason to bother with the HK45 Compact whatsoever.

The HK45 Compact IS a USP 45 Compact which has been adapted such that one pistol can try to accomodate all the different body-types of people that might make up an entire police department. . . from right-handed, 4' 8" tall, 85 lb women with tiny hands; to left-handed, 6' 5", 240 lb gorillas who can palm a basketball with one hand, while lifting up a pickup truck with the other. Then it got a universal accessory rail to accomodate any and all accessories that any type of LEO might ever decide to hang off it. If you are trying to equip an entire force or department with just one pistol, the HK45 Compact makes ALOT of sense. . . and equiping everybody with the same pistol has ALOT of logistical advantages for an agency.

All of that having been said: if you are buying one pistol, just for you yourself to use (and not an entire department); you are a right-handed shooter (or a lefty who is comfortable with right-handed controls); you don't really require a universal accessory rail; and, the grip & trigger-reach of the USP Compact 45 fits your hand; then there is zero advantage to the HK45 Compact over the USP Compact 45. They both shoot and handle exactly the same. The USP Compact 45 is already perfect for the majority of individual shooters. If you are in that majority, then there is no reason to spend hundreds of dollars extra on an HK 45 Compact.

Right now, the USP Compact 45 is selling at a bargain-rate discount as compared with the HK45 Compact, because the HK45 Compact has "the latest thing", "new-car" persona. That will not remain to be the case long-term. Eventually, they will stop producing the USP series altogether. When used HK45 Compacts become commonplace (not too far off), and USP Compacts are no longer being produced, you will see German USP Compact 45s selling for as much as, and more than, used HK45 Compacts.

The USP Compact 45 is not a lesser pistol than the HK45 Compact in any way. . . Think of the USP Compact 45 as a Porshe 911; and an HK45 Compact as a Porshe 911 with handicap access.