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Reply With QuoteThat's sad....Originally Posted by spyder1439
Yes. Go ahead and carry cocked and NOT locked.
No. It's seriously crazy for anyone to carry this way.
being an leo in nj - if you were trapped in a dead end alley - wtih no means of escape - and you verbally yelled at the guy to stop and he still came at you with the crow bar and you shot him point blank you would be covered as long as you had a concealed carry permit and the gun was registered. you may not go to jail but you definately will be sued and probably have to pay the guys family for the rest of your life. oh yeah and the gun will be taken as evidence for about 5-8 years.
there is no law against bringing a gun into a bar unless the owner prohibits it (private property) - nj doesnt even have a law about being drunk and carrying - however if you shoot someone while drunk - you gonna have a BIG problem. the moral of the story - shooting should be used as a last resort.
That's sad....
yeah tell me about it. its all the tree huggin, sue happy liberals in nj that ruin it for the rest of the state and the courts that grant people money for ridiculous law suits and then set precedents so others follow.
as for the no laws about being drunk and carrying and in bars etc. if you carry while drinking thats just poor judgement, no, you're an idiot, and if you do something stupid then you deserve the nonsense of the state.
Spyder - as a LEO in NJ, you should know better - first of all, you cant have a NJ carry permit UNLESS you're in law enforcement in the state so I don't know where you got that little jewel. Secondly, as a bar owner I can tell you that in NJ, you cant have a gun in a bar. Thirdly, these 2 facts themselves make it very illegal to shoot someone in an alley for ANY reason whatsoever. In fact, in the state of NJ, the only place you can shoot someone and maybe get away with it is in your own house - and he better have a gun - otherwise you're in really deep sh*t.
Now, since this story doesn't take place in NJ, it's completely irrelevant.
To be honest, I'm very conflicted about carrying weapons. I believe we should have the right to do so - however, in my experience, 9 out of 10 people in this country are f*cking idiots. Do you know how many stupid people I run into on a daily basis? I'm not sure I want everyone carrying a gun. We had this discussion at the range last night - got pretty heated. In fact, I thought I was gonna get shot at one point. Some turd started yelling at me that he has the right to defend himself and should have the right to concealed carry. I told him that I'd agree with him if he could actually spell the word "concealed." Dude was pissed.
No, not an "ass whooping". If it was a matter of simple assault, well, I am 6'5" and was, at the time, a solid 290 (yes, solid, good enough to pass weight standards in Embry-Riddle's AFROTC program--we can dispel the dip**** bouncer question here and now. I have degrees (BS and MAS) in engineering and aerospace, in part financed by this work in my undergraduate years). A crowbar is absolutely a lethal weapon and only a fool would engage one in unarmed combat if one had a choice. Weapon parity is a bull**** line of thought or argument. Lethality is the issue. At the time, Prescott, AZ, PD indicated to the guys who worked at our bar that multiple unarmed attackers constituted lethal force. Makes sense, too.
As far as carrying in a bar: The employees of a private establishment may authorize its employees to be armed on the premises or during the performance of their duties. All of the bouncers carried to and from work. NONE of us carried on the job, though.
So, we can throw out about 4 misconceptions you have. Back to the main point: Having a weapon for self defense isn't a case of macho bull**** or wanting to be superior. If anything, most people I know who carry concealed are less prone to escalation of a situation, not more so.
Last edited by Huey; 02-12-2008 at 09:12 PM.
I have to carry my USP .45 decocked in my duty holster. I still have it locked tho. I draw and unlock just like I would do with my 1911's.
Arizona is (or was, I left about 11 years ago) an open carry state and I had the weapon visible in a nylon holster tucked into the back of my pants. There was no yelling. Hell, I didn't even think about yelling. Someone who waits an hour in the dark with a weapon to attack someone doing his damn job isn't going to be scared off by yelling anyway.
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