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"To Hell and Back" Sigs motto - that is what you go through when you buy an American made Sig.
Mk23
Hello Harrydog, first let me say I'm 5'10" at 175 lbs. I carry my Mark23 in a Bladetech I.W.B. shirt tucker style holster. I also ride with my USPf .45 in a shirt tucker by DeSantis as well. By no means are these two carrys the ultimate in concealability, but my life does not require ultimate stealth. I just happen to adore these two weapons. As far as off-hand multiple, or single shots, the draw is just fine for defensive mode. Let me state I am not a Vigilante, or an overboard quasi-operator, They just do it for me. As long as they are concealed (Ilive in Ct.) I'm compliant. It doesn't matter whether you can see through my shirt, or t-shirt I'm all set.
As far as weapon control is concerned, My HK45 is more concealabe, as is my USP 9mm. Muzzle flip doesn't come into the equasion, for me as much as for others, because the likelyhood of my needing to keep the sights on a threat are infinitessimal. By the way, if it ever came to that, I would have already found some cover for further placements with the twelve round mags. At the range, the Mk23 has the least flip of them all, more mass, weight, and barrel. Not to mention the truck size double recoil springs. The USPf .45 is second in flip, and my HK45 has the most, it's the lightest weapon of the three. Having said that, the HK45 will hide better in the pants (DeSantis Tuck This holster for the USP). At the range all three are capable in rapid fire of placing shots in a "torso", albeit not with alot of accuracy. I'm not a pro, but that much I can do in a pinch. In slow placement at 25 feet, or 25 yards, they all come in at 3" (or so) of the bullseye, the Mark 23 being the exception, this on will drop them right within 2". It's all in the correct shooting stance/grasp as you know. It's taken me some time to master and consistently keep them in the middle with the proper tecnique (practice), until my vision starts to blur (I'm 43 and need glasses). This is coming from someone who has been shooting since I was 12 years old-all skeet and rifles, not much with pistols. If this helps I'm glad. I'm not a pro, just a recreational shooter, with enough practice to know the difference. I won't get into Sigs, .44 mag., PPK/S or 1911, etc. because as far as I'm concerned HK is the only wepon to trust youe life with. I'll never be a competition shooter that's for sure, but I'll always conceal, and everyone I know has gotten used to it (I've had my C.C.W. since 1986). I'm sure there are those out there that think carrying a Mark 23 is ridiculous, but to me, is my pride and joy which I get most enjoyment from, just make sure when you sit in a car, or tie your shoes, to shift the weapon to the side, or you'll be singing alto-soprano. It's worth it!
Thanks for the question, Tim Blakeman.
Sorry for the OT but,
"To Hell and Back" Sigs motto - that is what you go through when you buy an American made Sig.
Watch & Pray
Thanks for the very informative reply Tim. It doesn't surprise me at all that the MK23 has the least flip but I am a bit surprised that you think the HK45 has more than the USPF. I know the USP is slightly heavier but not by that much, so I figured the better grip and slightly lower bore axis on the HK45 would make it a bit better in that regard. Too bad I no longer have my Tactical so I can compare.
At any rate, I'm really interested in the MK23 again. Too bad the MK23 Owner's Guild is no more.
I've said it before,and I'll say it again. I have spent my life looking for the perfect handgun. The perfect balance of power,ergonomics,appearance,balance,etc........the mark 23 is as close to perfect as I have found yet. Is it a CCW? No. I use another gun for that. Here's the acid test as it was applied to me years ago..........if you got a telephone call that someone was coming to your house in one minute to kill you,and you only had handguns there,which one would you grab???? for me,that answer is the mark 23,and believe me,I have a great many to choose from. I have never shot so well with any other handgun before or since. Every year we have a speed pistol event at our gun club to fatten the second amendment war chest. I was defeated by a fellow shooter shooting a SIG P226 by 2/100th's of a second. I was shooting the mark 23. see the difference? I was shooting literally twice the gun,and he barely beat me. it's the whole package,the recoil reduction system,the sights,the grip,etc. if it's not for you,then the search goes on for the perfect handgun. life is good!
ROFL! Nice. I like it. And my answer too is my Mark 23.Originally Posted by ltbarber
I'm still searching for the perfect handgun, and I've been looking for MANY years (I'm old). I don't think it exists. Like you said, the MK23 isn't ideal for concealed carry. Everything is a compromise. It's impossible for one handgun to be best at everything. But for a home defense gun or a gun to carry on your belt when Armageddon is upon us, the MK23 would have to be a top contender.
I just wish I could shoot one before buying it.
Well, I bought one with the intention of never shooting it, for investment purposes. When the availability lulls, you can always get a couple hundred more than what you paid for it.
That being said, I couldn't resist, and shot it, now I will never get rid of it LOL.
Where do you live?
Ohio
#1) Everyone should also have a sholder fired. The correct answer is a 12 ga. Never bring a handgun to a gun fight.
#2) However, given the restricitons of the hypothetical question, the correct answer is actually: leave the house, wait in car out on the street. Run down bad guy when he arrives. :)
#3) Actually, now that I think about it, the correct answer is RUN. The bad guy is actually calling you on the second line from upstairs. :) :)
"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."
-General Introduction to Psychoanalysis, Sigmund Freud
I love it!!!LOL!
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