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    Can you guys help me with a pretty simple quesiton. I have a friend looking to purchase and MP5 to shoot for fun and invest. Its really more for fun but it sounds better when you call it an investment. Just trying to help him decide which model and where to buy from.

    Whats the best quality MP5 out there? Whats the difference between a pushpin lower? Where would you buy one from?

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    First make sure your friend lives in a state that allows machine guns. Next make sure he has 15-20K in cash as most tranactions are 100% up front to buy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by htony1 View Post
    Can you guys help me with a pretty simple quesiton. I have a friend looking to purchase and MP5 to shoot for fun and invest. Its really more for fun but it sounds better when you call it an investment. Just trying to help him decide which model and where to buy from.

    Whats the best quality MP5 out there? Whats the difference between a pushpin lower? Where would you buy one from?

    Thanks
    Transferable (i.e. can be purchased by non SOT dealers) MP5s are conversions of an HK94 or SP89 (typically becomes a MP5K or MP5K-PDW). The initial 9mm semi auto is either a HK manufactured HK94 or one of the clones, for the rest of the discussion we will only consider the HK manufactured HK94 due to your looking for the "best".

    There are four general groups of NFA (aka full auto / select fire) conversion:

    Most common is a sear gun, where the HK94 had the barrel shortened and a tri lug added (or better yet the barrel was changed to an HK MP5 barrel), typically the receiver is remarked with MP5, a paddle mag release added and everything is refinished (i.e. repainted). The full auto conversion sear is in the trigger pack and allows the gun to shoot semi or full with the addition of a full auto bolt. The big positive to the sear guns is once the MP5 is papered as a short barreled rifle, you can take the sear pack out and put in any HK 90 series, thus making a MP5K-PDW (SP89 host), HK53 (MP5 size 223), various full size .223 and 308s, now including belt guns. If you get a good sear guns with a re-timed hammer, nice finish, HK barrel etc. makes a great MP5 and is near the factor, however, the trigger pack still is a clip on and not a push pin (most smiths do glue a few ends and heads of the push pins into the trigger housing, just to make it look correct).

    Similar to the sear gun is the registered trigger pack. Has positives changing parts (in most cases) a is a little more limited in exact configuration.

    Next there are registered receivers where the gun is more or less a sear gun but the sear it's self was never papered and can not be now. Would stay way from these unless you get a great price ... again not along the lines of this discussion.

    Lastly there are a few registered receivers hat have swing down lowers (only allowed for a limited time, thus much more rare than sear guns) and can use factory parts. These if you NEVER wish any other HK, are the closest to factory if done (or reworked) correctly.

    Check out the World of HK for more details.
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    If he only wants one machine gun, and he wants it to be an MP5 style, it can be done for $13,000-$14,000. Get a MKE pistol HK94 or SP89. Then get a used full auto carrier from Rim Country or an HK one. Get a registered sear in a pack. Marry the Sear pack to the gun. Knock out the FA carrier block. Install all the parts and have fun.

    In this scenario you can never really remove the sear pack from that gun. They are married together forever, or until you are willing to divorce them and destroy the gun.

    Sear: $11,000-$12,000
    Carrier: $200-$400
    MKE gun: $1,200-$1,500
    Barrel cut &trilug: $200
    Transfer: $200

    A real HK conversion will be about $18,000. So you'd save yourself about $4,000-$5,000, but you'd have a Turkish gun and no ability to use the sear in anything else. But you'd save $4,000-$5,000.

    Most people consider the MKE guns to be equivalent to the HK because they are built in an HK licensed plant in Turkey.
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    Wow, why is it so expensive? Not possible to import any longer?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3GUN-DVC View Post
    Wow, why is it so expensive? Not possible to import any longer?
    Sears were made in the USA, but no more since '86 nor any other full auto transferable guns or conversion devices.

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    I thought it was not possible to use a MKE gun as a host. The best conversions I have seen were from Terry Dyer and TSC Machine.

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    If you marry the sear to the MKE, you should be good to go. But as retro said, if you ever unmarry the sear, you would have to destroy the MKE host because you have removed the FA carrier blocking tab.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3GUN-DVC View Post
    Wow, why is it so expensive? Not possible to import any longer?
    Most people settle for a semi-auto Short Barrel Rifle (SBR). That will knock about $12,000 off the price.

    The production of transferable machine guns was stopped back in 5/86. New machine guns can be made but they are not transferable to civilians. Only Law Enforcement agencies, military, or Class III dealers/manufacturers can have them.

    So everything that is transferable to a regular citizen had to be built and registered before 5/86. Since there is a finite number of them, the prices have escalated ever since 1986. Some more than others, due to popularity and limited supply...

    M11/9: $3,000
    Uzi: $6,000
    Ruger 556: $5,500
    M16: $10,000
    Colt M16: $14,000
    Clone MP5: $14,000
    HK94-MP5: $18,000

    The HK series is pretty much the most popular one out there. The little sears that used to cost $100 are now about $12,000.

    Disclaimer: Prices above are just rough estimates to show relationship costs. No need to tell me about somebody buying something for a couple of grand cheaper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by retrodog View Post
    Most people settle for a semi-auto Short Barrel Rifle (SBR). That will knock about $12,000 off the price.

    The production of transferable machine guns was stopped back in 5/86. New machine guns can be made but they are not transferable to civilians. Only Law Enforcement agencies, military, or Class III dealers/manufacturers can have them.

    So everything that is transferable to a regular citizen had to be built and registered before 5/86. Since there is a finite number of them, the prices have escalated ever since 1986. Some more than others, due to popularity and limited supply...

    M11/9: $3,000
    Uzi: $6,000
    Ruger 556: $5,500
    M16: $10,000
    Colt M16: $14,000
    Clone MP5: $14,000
    HK94-MP5: $18,000

    The HK series is pretty much the most popular one out there. The little sears that used to cost $100 are now about $12,000.

    Disclaimer: Prices above are just rough estimates to show relationship costs. No need to tell me about somebody buying something for a couple of grand cheaper.
    The most disgusting thing about this whole affair is that a new select fire MP5 can be purchased by the aforementioned, ie military. LE, etc for around $950.00

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