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    I think I know the answer to the first question, but want to check with the knowlege here, since I had something else to ask. I will be talking about it with the local ATF Inspector when he returns from vacation next week:

    I have an idea for a "drop in" style sear for sl8 (and maybe USC) trigger sets, that would function with the semi bolt carriers and not require any receiver modification (and hopefully, not even any trigger housing mods, other than replacing parts). Essentially a conversion sear, like those used in ARs. My intent is only to do R&D on it. If it functions as I envision, I would like to sell the design and rights to a manufacturer who can concern themselves with the logistics of legally manufacturing and selling them. I have a full time job, and have no intention of starting my own business.

    As I understand it, the only way I can do it without spending all the money for a manufacturing/sales license that I never intend to use, would be to get a written waiver from ATF?

    My second question, and real reason for this post: Does anyone know who might be looking to produce and sell something like this?
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    As you won't be able to do civilian sales, law enforcement'/gov't can just buy a G36 at will and not worry about purchasing a semi conversion. Same thing for SOT's as a semi conversion would never be a "keeper".
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    Your target market (state/local LE) can already purchase FA arms directly from H&K, there is a very limited market to convert semi-guns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bordercop View Post
    I think I know the answer to the first question, but want to check with the knowlege here, since I had something else to ask. I will be talking about it with the local ATF Inspector when he returns from vacation next week:

    I have an idea for a "drop in" style sear for sl8 (and maybe USC) trigger sets, that would function with the semi bolt carriers and not require any receiver modification (and hopefully, not even any trigger housing mods, other than replacing parts). Essentially a conversion sear, like those used in ARs. My intent is only to do R&D on it. If it functions as I envision, I would like to sell the design and rights to a manufacturer who can concern themselves with the logistics of legally manufacturing and selling them. I have a full time job, and have no intention of starting my own business.

    As I understand it, the only way I can do it without spending all the money for a manufacturing/sales license that I never intend to use, would be to get a written waiver from ATF?

    My second question, and real reason for this post: Does anyone know who might be looking to produce and sell something like this?
    Just so I'm clear, you are aware of the Firearms Protection Act of 1986 limited the registration of machineguns (and machinegun conversion devices like a DIAS for an AR which are considered a machinegun)? So civilians can only own transferable machineguns that where entered into the National Firearms Act Registry before May 19, 1986. The device you are describing would be considered a Post May Dealer's Sample machinegun. As a Post Sample, only Law Enforcement agencies, Class III dealer with a demonstration letter from an Agency, or a Manufacturer could possess such a device. As others have posted, there would be an extremely limited market for such a device. Without paying the Special Operational Tax (SOT) as a manufacturer, the R&D on such a device would be a felony. So, IMHO pursuing this project would not be advisable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonT View Post
    As you won't be able to do civilian sales, law enforcement'/gov't can just buy a G36 at will and not worry about purchasing a semi conversion. Same thing for SOT's as a semi conversion would never be a "keeper".
    Quote Originally Posted by jdonovan View Post
    Your target market (state/local LE) can already purchase FA arms directly from H&K, there is a very limited market to convert semi-guns.
    Always wondered myself... What would even be the reason an 07/02 SOT would state for making a F/A conversion device for an SL8, HK94, or USC... R&D Suppressors?? Just to see if it works?? Certainly not for a sales platform when target market can just buy the G36, MP5, or UMP?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickj1nd View Post
    Always wondered myself... What would even be the reason an 07/02 SOT would state for making a F/A conversion device for an SL8, HK94, or USC... R&D Suppressors?? Just to see if it works?? Certainly not for a sales platform when target market can just buy the G36, MP5, or UMP?
    Not a H&K story, but... I know of a local dealer who made a few conversion packs for a PS-90 for a local LE dept. They wanted to try them out before buying and couldn't get demo units from FNH. The dealer had some used PS90's on his shelf so the 'cost' to the dept was very reasonable vs a new P90. This however was a rare and lucky alignment of circumstances. Had the PD been bigger, or wanted to buy a larger quantity it would have changed the situation as they likely could have gotten some demo units.

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    Is what you're talking about the same thing as a lightning link?
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottinthegrove View Post
    Just so I'm clear, you are aware of the Firearms Protection Act of 1986 limited the registration of machineguns (and machinegun conversion devices like a DIAS for an AR which are considered a machinegun)?
    I did not know that. I knew that machine guns could not be made. I thought conversion sears could still be made. It sure seems like there's a lot of them out there, for being all made pre-ban.

    Well, I guess that means less tinkering and more shooting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bordercop View Post
    I did not know that. I knew that machine guns could not be made. I thought conversion sears could still be made. It sure seems like there's a lot of them out there, for being all made pre-ban
    Thats the long and short of it... Be it actual machinegun or conversion device of any sort... all must have been made and registered pre-FOPA of 1986 in order to be legally transferrable to civilians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bordercop View Post
    I did not know that. I knew that machine guns could not be made. I thought conversion sears could still be made. It sure seems like there's a lot of them out there, for being all made pre-ban.
    If you were in the MG biz in the 85-86 time frame and saw the writing on the wall of a ban coming, you'd setup production to crank 'em out as fast as possible. A H&K or AR-DIAS is not a complex forming operation, and with a bit of time to setup some jigs/dies and a punch press, you could be pushing out 100's a day. Do that for a few months, times a few manufacturers and you get a lot of conversion devices into the market.

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