NEW SP89 owner! MP5K??

[TobyHKnut]

I just got a NIB SP89....always wanted one! Now that I have completed my weehaaaa dance...I am checking out the pages. I am new to the NFA side of things since I can get F/A's at work lol so I never really goofed around with them on my own time. SO...I have an HK94 now and an SP89...which is a better choice for a sear host gun down the road. I am not gonna spring for the sear yet..$$$...but if I wanna get one ready which would you choose and why? I think the MP5K is prob the best looking gun ever! Checking out some of the pages and reading about them it appears as tho the SP89 is alot easer to get sear ready??? I also see these trigger packs available and they say "complete" f/a parts? I don't wanna pop a trigger pack in and find I have gone to jail lol but I also believe there is alot more to it them just changing out the FA bolt assembly and trigger pack??? I read the "conversion page" here and I am still confused....Will these fit and can I convert them to semi in the mean time and wait to get a reg sear or do these have a sear and them you have to reg before putting it in? I know this is basic stuff probably but just trying to figure it all out from the posts about clipped pinned etc thanks...

[JTinIN]

Both are the perfect sear host.

Each needs a full auto bolt carrier and it's own trigger housing (the full size MP5 trigger housing can be used on the HK53 when you get it ;-). The sear/trigger pack switches back and forth in a snap (assuming it is a SEF).

Regards
John

Still "needing" a belt fed HK host.

[SudS]

How much you spend depends how "factory like" you want to make them. If you want the guns to have 3 lug barrels, flapper mag releases, remarked MP5/MP5K, then obviously, that's more money than just full-auto bolt carriers (or rewelded bolt carriers). One advantage for the SP-89 is, you don't have to register it as an SBR (with no sear) unless you place a buttstock or vertical grip on it. In your shoes, I would do the full conversion on the 94. Then again, I'd save every dime and get the sear as soon as possible, don't worry about bolt carriers and such, they are useless without the sear.

[Clicker]

Checking out some of the pages and reading about them it appears as tho the SP89 is alot easer to get sear ready??? I also see these trigger packs available and they say "complete" f/a parts? I don't wanna pop a trigger pack in and find I have gone to jail lol but I also believe there is alot more to it them just changing out the FA bolt assembly and trigger pack??? I read the "conversion page" here and I am still confused....Will these fit and can I convert them to semi in the mean time and wait to get a reg sear or do these have a sear and them you have to reg before putting it in?

Either gun will, as mentioned, make a great FA weapon once you acquire a registered sear or registered trigger pack. A bit confusing I know since if you buy a sear it still has to be installed into a trigger pack.

The $99 surplus FA trigger packs you see for sale are for use in a factory machine gun not a semi gun. The pack will not fit due to the shelf in a semi, of course you could modify one to fit and then you'd have an illegal conversion which yields you a visit to prison!

If you have not figured it out already it will cost you between $10K to $12K to buy a registered sear or pack to join the FA club.

The question I have for you is do you want to shoot the guns now in semi mode or are they safe queens? If you want to shoot & enjoy them then the SP89 will be more fun than the 94 with the long barrel.
However the 89 sucks as a pistol so you need to spend more money! Register it as an SBR, $200, then buy the front grip, $65, and the stock, $125 and go shoot the snot out of her. The nice thing about doing it this way is you don't have to send the gun off to have any work done (other than engraving) it's all plug & play.

[Shattered Mind]

However the 89 sucks as a pistol so you need to spend more money! Register it as an SBR, $200, then buy the front grip, $65, and the stock, $125 and go shoot the snot out of her.

If he IS going to eventually get a sear, the SBR tax is a waste of money and time.

[Clicker]

Shattered I agree with you on the tax stamp. However since he doesn't have a sear at this time and his post indicated his preference for the "K" model it seemed like money well spent IF he wants to shoot now.

[MrPink]

Consider a K-N conversion. The 3 lug will allow you to mount a suppressor to the K.

[TobyHKnut]

HI guys thanks for all the info as usual here !!

Ya I realy don't care about the stamping, markings etc I am more of a shooter so looking for preformance over correct "look" I will prob got with teh SBR on the SP89...leaning that way anyway for now. I have SBR's already and easy to get tax bla bla I will eventually go F/A but since I can get them at work anyday MP5's AR's etc I can't see spending the 14K to have my own too. Hell they give me if I ask for it lol soooooooo for now gonna go with the SBR. Just trying to figure out this trigger pack thing and the clipped and pinned and which are for looks and which are for function etc
If I understand it correctly you can put a clipped and pinned grip on a semi but it "looks" like a full auto....but you still cant put the full auto trigger pack into it and if you do you have to converit it back to semi? Thats the part that confused me as i was figuring on useing a clipped and pinned grip and then went i got a reg trigger pack just dropping it in and I would be ready and then add the F/A bolt and off ya go...I gotta say tho the HK94 with it's 16" barrel is rediculiously accurate!!!!!!!!

[Clicker]

If I understand it correctly you can put a clipped and pinned grip on a semi but it "looks" like a full auto....but you still cant put the full auto trigger pack into it and if you do you have to convert it back to semi? Thats the part that confused me as i was figuring on using a clipped and pinned grip and then when I got a reg trigger pack just dropping it in and I would be ready and then add the F/A bolt and off ya go...

Yup the clipped & pinned housing is just for looks on a semi. Your semi trigger pack will drop into a FA clipped & pinned housing and function fine, no need to buy a FA trigger pack and convert it to semi operation.

Not that anyone asked but my take on this whole FA housing on semi guns strikes me as mall ninja / poser stuff. You either have a full auto gun or you don't! Why some people think it's cool to look the part baffles me.
Kinda like dating a girl who stuffed her bra - looks good when you first pick her up only to be disappointed at the end of the evening.

Now take a step into the M16/AR15 world. When someone asks if it's OK to engrave "AUTO" on their AR15 semi lower he gets flamed big time. The replies range from "sure you could but why" to "OMG your asking for trouble if any LEO sees it".

It appears to me there is a double standard here. I can't help but wonder if the the whole clipped & pinned thing hasn't grown as a result of savvy marketing by various dealers. Sure there's a market amongst the sear owners but my guess is there are many more of these C&P'ed lowers sold to go on semi guns.

So lets recap:
HK - FA markings are OK cuz all the cool kids are doing it and I gotta fit in.
AR - fake AUTO marked lower makes you a dweeb.

OK I'm done with my 'lil rant. Toby this was not directed at you in any sense. Just venting, not trying to crap in your thread.

[TobyHKnut]

LOL Non taken CLICKER I know what ya mean tho....

So a C&P'n grip houseing will fit both a full auto and semi auto trigger pack but the semi houseing only fits semi correct? Or once it's clipped and pined it will no longer fit the full auto trigger pack? ugh lol No wonder they are like 20K to buy one lol