Point of Aim??

[ol_blue]

Well Ive owned an HK .45C for about a year now. i love the gun. bad the part is, i cant shoot the thing worth a .. Ive probably shot around 300 rounds through the thing and i still cant seem to pin down where i am going wrong.. Now it may be that i simply just can't shoot the damn thing very well. But what im wondering is, what is the typical point of aim for these guns? Basically, if you level the front and back sites and put your target on top of the "line" created, where will your bullet hit at say 25 yards? I say 25 because if you do the same for a Springfield XD, it will hit right on target.. So basically i just need help aiming this thing. which sounds pretty rookie i know lol..

But Ive gotten so angry that i am strongly considering selling my gun and buying another brand altogether. any help would be greatly appreciated.

[Uriah]

POA/POI. Point of aim/point of impact

All my HK's and SIGs from the factory have been sighted in with what some refer to as a 'combat hold', where you actually cover the target with your front dot, as opposed to resting the target on top of it.

Where it will hit at 25 yards is contingent on a few factors. Mainly what distance the sites are originally sighted in at.

[Uriah]

Just a follow up to address your specific question, from the USP manual, which is the same for the HK 45 and 45c:

To raise the bullet impact on a target, a shorter front sight is installed. To lower the bullet impact on a target, a taller front sight is installed. Installing the next higher or lower front sight will change the point-of-impact 2 inches at 25 meters, depending on the ammunition used. USP series pistols are function fired and zeroed at the factory at 25 meters, point-of-aim, point-of-impact. Your actual zero may vary depending on the ammunition used and/or your style of shooting.

[_JD_]

With my HK45 a "6-o'clock hold" is needed at distances past 7 yards. Not sure if the 45C is regulated the same but I would wager that it may be. Also, projectile weight can alter POI as well.

[ol_blue]

well first off, thanks guys. you are already helping.. but i use 25 yards as merely an example because of the Springfield manual i found... this is going to sound silly, but has anyone played Call of duty 4? in COD 4 there is an HK USP, and the character holds the front dot site slightly higher than the rear sites. now i know this is a video game, but is this basically what you guys are saying?

[AZRon]

I feel for you. I was in the same position back in 1995 when I bought my USP full sized .45. Being used to adjustable sights, I always set them for the "picture" that you describe.

Shooting my USP for the first time was a HUGE let-down. At 25 yards, all of my hits were about 4" low. After thinking that the three dots may be important, I used the front dot to COVER where I wanted a strike. From there, all hits were grouped and centered well. What started as frustration became an appreciation of an accurate, and utterly reliable combat weapon.

It took awhile for me to get used to it. But if I can, so can you. Don't sell it...embrace it.

[ol_blue]

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[Uriah]

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Hopefully that implies you understood what AZRon said. :)

That's what I meant in my initial post. You still line your sites up the same way - aka correctly. ;) But instead of having your desired point of impact resting on top of your sight picture, you cover it with your front dot.

[_JD_]

well first off, thanks guys. you are already helping.. but i use 25 yards as merely an example because of the Springfield manual i found... this is going to sound silly, but has anyone played Call of duty 4? in COD 4 there is an HK USP, and the character holds the front dot site slightly higher than the rear sites. now i know this is a video game, but is this basically what you guys are saying?

No...proper sight alignment is the front sight being centered in the rear sight notch with equal amounts of light on both sides of the front sight blade. The tops of the front and rear sight should be even. The dots are for "hasty" sight alignment when you don't have time to get proper sight alignment as previously described.

SIGHT PICTURE is placing proper sight alignment on your target. With center hold or Point of aim = point of impact you want your front sight blade covering where the bullet is to impact. With a 6 o'clock hold, you place your properly aligned sights a fer inches below your desired point of impact, exact distance from sights to impact can vary with distance.

[Uriah]

well first off, thanks guys. you are already helping.. but i use 25 yards as merely an example because of the Springfield manual i found... this is going to sound silly, but has anyone played Call of duty 4? in COD 4 there is an HK USP, and the character holds the front dot site slightly higher than the rear sites. now i know this is a video game, but is this basically what you guys are saying?

Cool game, and attention to a lot of details, especially with the weapons.......although no, as to your question, which I assume you've understood at this point.

But try not to associate such games with how things should be, or are, actually done. ;)