Nice Pictures & Firearms.....
Cato, are you trying to stir up a little healthy debate. OK, I'll participate.
Reoze has hit the nail on the head. The Hollywood shoot out and the numerous active shooters at schools and shopping centers has shown that the threat has to be stopped as quickly as possible. Often no time to wait for the SWAT team (except those SWAT cops that are already on duty). Since we can't wait for SWAT, the patrol division must be equiped and trained to deal with these threats.
If I respond to a call where I know that a firearm is involved, the 6920 comes out of the rack. No such thing as a fair gun fight. Let them have a pistol, I'll come with a rifle.
I'd much rather be "defensive" during a felony car stop with a rifle then a handgun.
Back on topic, they are nice pictures.
We are loosing more than we gain by having patrolmen carrying fully auto
G36c's and the like. Power SHOULD be in the hands of the citizen: CCWs and even fellas with trunk guns would be just as effective as police who might arrive 5 minutes later. Now government agents with weapons SO much more powerful than anything available to honest citizens (especially Californians like myself) is just unAmerican. Something is lost in the citizen-police relationship.
Of course I want our police officers to be safe. Now you can say they would be safer with ballistic plates, kevlar helmets, up armored humvees, and balaklavas; maybe even a .50 cal on the roof should another Virginia Tec shooter with a .22 and 9mm rear his head. But I don't want to see that rolling down my Main Street as I walk my daughter to the library. I want to see my police helping little ole' ladies cross the street and giving directions; not conducting SWAT operations.
Once again, beautiful firearms nonetheless.
God save America.
Well I'm sure that your cops would love to do nothing more then help little old ladies cross the streets, and giving directions, but every once in a while an armed robbery will occur and they might actually have to respond to that..... An armed robbery where the assailant is armed with a rifle.
I would wonder if you are able to judge what an officer is going to loose or gain with a G26C. Have you worked a beat? Conducted a felony car stop? Cleared a murder scene?
If you haven't, no disrespect to you, but it would be like me telling a trained carpenter which tool to use.
When civilians (mayor,city council, etc.) are the folks picking the tools that cops should use, it isn't a good thing.
I'm all for CCW and don't have a problem with law abiding citizens carrying a trunk gun. I don't think a well armed police force threatens the power of a citizen.
I also don't get this statement: "government agents with weapons SO much more powerful than anything available to honest citizens (especially Californians like myself) is just unAmerican."
I can't figure how that G36 is sooo much more powerful then a citizen with a 6920 (AR15).
I do feel your pain living in California. Hell, move!
To remain on topic as this has really strayed, really nice pictures, I hope your department buys a load of them.
Last edited by ChuckMc; 04-30-2008 at 01:13 AM. Reason: Spelling
Fact of the matter is, cops are people too, and they should have every right to defend themselves when they are forced into dangerous situations.
I think you missed my point.
Police officers have greater access to firearms than civilians in every state. You mentioned that police officers have the right to defend themselves (which is true), I was pointing out that civilians also have to defend themselves (usually by themselves) and often with the superior weapons used by LE not being available to them.
It is ridiculous to claim that a cop who has backup, updated intelligence and the support of the legal system needs an M-16 but a civilian who must fend for himself in most cases of violent aggression has no need for such things.