Really cold design I remember when TSC Made something similar
TSC Machine ? HK MP5NavyST
As far as the rail system. can't wait to see more good luck with Your endeavors
Indeed, been working on this project with my business partner/employer for about 4 years now. Primarily im the guy building the firearms.Did not know that you were affiliated!!! [IMG class=inlineimg]https://www.hkpro.com/forum/smilies/wink.gif[/IMG]
"Who Dares Wins"
ahahahaha an April 1st delivery launch date....good one!
Thomas Jefferson -
"When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."
"Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not."
Ok, so I've had some thoughts on this "revolutionary" business, but have kept them to myself, mostly because I respect supporting vendors.
But now comes the thread, so I'll let loose.
In a word. Why? Seriously. Why? The rail system has to add a decent amount of weight, and it just looks bizarre.
For pure function? Maybe it actually adds value. But lets face it .. few/none of use are running around using these guns "for business." As range toys? Who needs it? The AK world is suffering something similar. AKs used to be cheap, but now ARs are cheaper than AKs... and the only dudes scoping US-made AKs now are the AK-purists.. the AKs selling out regularly are the wood-stocked Russian-looking models. And for good reason.. who needs tapco or magpul furniture? It's fugly. Bottom line.
Likewise for the roller-lock world, I believe. I don't want rails and chassis and what not. Give me a quality MP5 clone, a set of drum sights, and leave the damned thing alone.
At least, thats what I want in theory. In practice? My only clone is a PSG1, and I buy real HK when I can.
SP5? The Fates are against y'all, but I have a soft spot in my heart for those that tempt Fate.
Build a traditional MP5. Skip the weirdness, and give us a killer price-point to make PTR wet themselves. You'll likely score.
Don't like the competition in the 9mm market? I get it. Go 5.56 pistol builds.
But, my point is, we don't need weirdo rails and chassis. We need affordable, reliable guns.
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Own: HK91, SR9, PSG1 clone, SP5k, G36k, HK416, P30L, 2x P8, 2x P8A1, USP9, USP9 FDE
Future: SP5 inbound
as for answers to a few of your questions,
Why? quite a few reasons but a couple big ones were, Cause we hated buying extra stuff to mount any accessories to our guns. Literally (out dated claw mount stuff aside) everything currently a common place accessory in the shooting world needs some form of adapter to attach to a MP5. we wanted to be able to actually co-witness a optic, my personal opinion happens to be that HK diopter sights are trash. so much so that when i built myself a G3K and i put Sig 550 front and rear diopters on it. Really a lot of the reasons are personal preference which more then likely would not be the same as yours as i am not trying to change your point of view ill move on.
the weight, its the biggest issue people bring up when they see a photo of our gun.
The whole system set side by side with standard Mp5 with a A2 stock on both guns and a plastic fore end on the standard gun. we add just shy of 10 ounces to the gun. spread over the entire receiver. with no change to the center of gravity. take that same standard Mp5 and add a knights rail and Clamp on 1913 optic mount then depending on the type of optic mount used we are either on par or a ounce or two lighter. a Mlok forend for a standard gun is a bit lighter but it does not share the same capability as our rail. our top optic rail is always at zero with the fore end accessory mounting planes and the whole rail actually is adjustable to allow it to be zeroed to the bore center line.
as for the SP5 yeah that's a tough hill to climb, but being a hk purist aside (trust me im still buying a SP5 for my collection) still gotta buy crap to use anything you may use with your other guns, you can have it in any color you want so long as its black and if you own a sear then its use on the sp5 is a questionable thing to do in its currently imported configuration.
We do sell traditional MP5's, not too far off from PTRs price point. we will build someone anything they want. there are already well established clone builders out there. it would be a poor marketing approach to enter the market with something that is not different. there would be little incentive for someone to buy what they can already get from established sources. currently NO ONE builds an MP5 that offers the same options and possible capability's as our version.
2499$ is around the same price as a SP5, Cheaper then a Dakota or brethren, we charge more then zenith and PTR because the components we utilize are in our opinion superior in physical properties as well as manufacturing tolerance.
plus None of those i just mentioned can allow you to order a gun for anything close to 2500$ with a Traditional hk style MP5 -SD barrel in it because you cant use that type of suppressor without going with the full SD conversion. we will do it for only the price difference of the sd barrel over the 3 lug. that being said Our integral SD suppressed gun is better though.
to alot of people that may make our little weirdo rail a hell of a lot more appealing. as well as affordable, plus we have a limited lifetime warranty.
I have always thought your Sig/G3K hybrid is very cool. It's not something I would ever build or buy.
The only unique thing I see you guys offering is a large rail system. Instead of just selling that, you are packaging it with a gun...
I'd have probably gone smooth, and MLOK up top as well, and offered a long rail section for those that need it. Shave some of those ounces off. It seems like that chassis replaces the ordinary cocking tube? If so, that's actually kind of cool -- except then I'd expect the entire thing to be ambidextrous, or at least able to switch?! I dunno.
I feel like I'm being a negative-Nancy -- so let me point out what I do really like: the ACR adapter. The ACR stocks are really nice, and if I were going to SBR an SP5, that is something I would look at very closely if it were available separately.
Last edited by sickness; 01-17-2020 at 03:49 PM.