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    I've done searches and research and thought I finally had things straight between the Custom Combat and the Combat Competition. My understanding was that the Combat Competition could easily be recognized having a Match/LEM hybrid trigger, an overtravel screw in the trigger and no safety/decock lever. The HK Box Label in one of the photos for this GB Combat Competition auction reads "COMBAT COMP" but it has no overtravel screw and is a V1 with safety/decock lever. Was I mistaken? If not, why does the label read as such? I've also inserted a photo with a labels from ads for a Combat Competition (left) and a Custom Combat (right). The manufacturer numbers are pretty similar and seem like they both tie to a Custom Combat. My gut tells me this is a Custom Combat but the label is misleading and the ad is titled incorrectly.

    Also, are these part numbers correct?
    Combat Competition M709001CC
    Custom Combat M704001CC (possibly with or without an "A5")


    Thanks in advance for any help understanding and clarification.

    http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=157420473

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    I'm not an expert on this but I believe this is a Custom Combat pistol. They did make older Combat Competition pistol in V1 but I still believe they had the match triggers in them.

    I believe the abbreviation COMP means "compliant". If you PM big bore these questions and part numbers I'm sure he'll know the answer to this question.
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    HK-USA introduced the Combat Competition about 3 years ago in two versions.
    Version #1 was V1 WITHOUT the Match, LEM, OR Hybrid trigger
    Version #2 came with the hybrid trigger (a combination of LEM and Match trigger parts)
    There was a $100 higher list price for Version #2.

    This created tons of confusuion so last year they renamed Version #1 above, the Custom Combat.
    Version #2 then became the only Combat Competition.

    SO, you need to know the year it was produced. If it has the V1 decocker and it is a Combat Comp on the HK box- it is from that first year of confusion. It did not come with a Match or hybrid trigger. It it has one someone ordered it custom or sent it to HK-USA for the trigger conversion OR had it done themselves.

    The last point that confuses the buyers. In about 2003 or 2004 HK-USA put a run of guns exclusivley through CDNN called Custom Combats- The came in only Tan or OD Green frames with the sandpaper grips.

    Confusing but I purchased each of these varients from the one through CDNN to this years. I spoke with HK-USA Customer Service as these were introduced to keep them straight.
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    here is the sticker from my box:



    model M709007CC, usp combat competition 9mm, AH date code, hybrid LEM
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    I was going to write a lengthy reply, but coto20 already did that for me. :)

    My "Combat Comp." is also a standard V1.
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    Thanks for all the replies and info. Good information to have for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptechjpjr View Post
    I believe the abbreviation COMP means "compliant"...
    No, your thinking of "COMPL". :)

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    The label on the left is from before the confusion was "fixed". The label on the right is post confusion as it has -A5 after the CC. But you can still tell if it was a Custom Combat or a Combat Competition by the letters and numbers preceding the CC* or CC-A5. Both Custom Combats and Combat Competitions will have the CC as the initials are the same for both.

    M709001CC-A5 = USP 9MM Custom Combat
    M709007CC-A5 = USP 9MM Combat Competition

    M704001CC-A5 = USP .40 Custom Combat
    M704007CC-A5 = USP .40 Combat Competition

    M709 = 9mm
    M704 = .40
    001CC = Custom Combat
    007CC = Combat Competition
    CC* = before "fix"
    CC-A5 =after "fix

    The label shown by majette is from the confusion era, no -A5, but reads as a 9mm Combat Competition (M709007CC*) the 007 being the giveaway. So back to the original question at the top, both labels are for Custom Combats in .40 not Combat Competitions, the 001 being the giveaway. Although it is possible that the label with "Combat Comp" being before the fix (CC*) was labeled correctly and therefore in the beginning both options were called Combat Competitions. Either way, if it is a V1, and reads "001CC" I consider it a custom combat. Hope this helps. Now I'm confused again.
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    These are the best explanations that I've ever heard concerning these two HK kissing cousins. Better, in fact, than what HK CS told me. Thanks very much!

    HKSM704001CCA5 - So this is a "new" Custom Combat in 40, correct?

    HKRM704007CCA5 - And this is the cousin, a "new" Combat Competition in 40SW? Any idea what the SM vs RM means?
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    Bender, was the SM and RM on the label or was that a mfg# listed on a dealers site or somewhere else? I have never seen either before. Either way, you are correct on both questions above. . I can find new Combat Competitions in 40 but cant find new in 9, so I just bought a new USP 9 V1, and am going to start the build. It will end up costing me a bit more, but will end up being the same thing (except the sticker on the box)

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