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    2 out of 2 posts deleted. Unbelievable. Let's see if 3 is a charm. Does anyone have a V1, and a V3 version and carry them both? Any problems swapping between trigger systems? Thanks.

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    You can swap V3 trigger with V1, but not the other way around.

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    As a general rule, I’ve never had a problem switching from single action to DA/SA, or DAO. Since my duty weapon is DA/SA, I chose my P30SK in the same configuration as my authorized off duty pistol. That doesn’t stop me from carrying my VP9SK or my 1911 from time to time. I probably wouldn’t recommend this for a novice shooter, but most people that have carried various firearms over the years adapt quickly and have the mindset to know what they are carrying.

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    TooSixty - I don't think he was asking can you "swap" like change parts.
    I think he was asking do people feel comfortable using both systems in carry or do they stick with one?
    Might be wrong but that is how I read it.
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    @ToyCop brings up a valid point. From a carry stand point, in my opinion, its about manual of arms. Do the firearms both have external safeties? Do they both have magazine releases in the same place? Do they both fire if they magazine is not present? Does the external safety get flipped upward or downward to go from safe to fire? This is why I carry striker-fired and LEM firearms...the manual of arms is the same (at least on mine-they don't have to be) but the triggers are different.

    If any of the answers to the questions above are different for each firearm it comes down to practice, practice, practice, repetition, repetition, repetition and reminding yourself what you are strapping on and what you have strapped on throughout the day. The bottom line is when it comes to pull that firearm from the holster - and we hope that time does not come - you don't want to be thinking SH*& where is the flipping safety.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MartyB View Post
    @ToyCop brings up a valid point. From a carry stand point, in my opinion, its about manual of arms. Do the firearms both have external safeties? Do they both have magazine releases in the same place? Do they both fire if they magazine is not present? Does the external safety get flipped upward or downward to go from safe to fire? This is why I carry striker-fired and LEM firearms...the manual of arms is the same (at least on mine-they don't have to be) but the triggers are different.

    If any of the answers to the questions above are different for each firearm it comes down to practice, practice, practice, repetition, repetition, repetition and reminding yourself what you are strapping on and what you have strapped on throughout the day. The bottom line is when it comes to pull that firearm from the holster - and we hope that time does not come - you don't want to be thinking SH*& where is the flipping safety.
    I concur with @MartyB and @ToyCop , like toyco, I carry handguns in one configuration, from my uniform duty gun, to my plain clothes duty gun. For me that is HK45 condition 1 (uniform), HK45C condition 1 (plain clothes/current assignment), and rarely my P30SKs condition one. I also generally try to carry my handgun in about the same location. for me this means at, or about 3 o'clock. that is where my duty belt holster is, and it is where I wear my IWB (and occasionally OWB) concealed/plain clothes holsters. Like MartyB said, it all about consistency and having things set up the same way every time, so that in the event you are forced to act, everything is second nature and you don't have to think about it. what brain power you are able to muster, needs to be focused on your threat, moving your feet, and dynamically stopping the threat. when these things happen under tremendous stress, we don't have the time or band width to be trying to remember what holster we're wearing, where the gun is, what retention level holster we chose to match our designer apparel, is there a manual safety/or not, what trigger pull am I going to encounter [as I'm prepping the trigger to make a high value shot]....... all this stuff, is stuff that should not even be a factor.

    I know, every time I leave, it might be the day that I'm put in a horrible position. I know where my handgun/holster is. I know as soon as I grasp the grip of my handgun I have my firing grip. I know every time I draw one of my carry guns, the safety comes off as the gun clears the holster, the gun comes up to eye level, and rails straight out putting the front sight in front of my eyes/nose. I know where the pressure wall in the trigger is, I know what I have to do to make clean high value hits. I know these things, because it is burned into me.

    I know I am a bit fanatical about this stuff. I'm a firearms trainer, and I/we regularly run our cops through very stressful con-sim training/sim training. Even just the pressure of a timed training cycle, not using UTM sim rounds, screws people up; and they're drawing from an open carry duty holster. You start introducing a threat who shoots UTM's back, and things often get down right crazy. You contrast that to guys who take this stuff seriously, and know how to move their feet and work a room/environment; and how they just mop up the "bad guy" role players. That contrast will make you a believer in muscle memory, and training your body to do things second nature.

    I'll jump down from my soap box now, I've rambled on enough...

    I'd stick with one trigger system.

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    All great points. Thanks. I used to switch up my carry guns depending on my mood. 1 day a Hi Power, the next a Glock etc. Looking back, probably not the wisest choice as far as muscle memory etc. I am currently really commited to the HK's, but will probably go with 1 platform, the V1. It just stings a little because the V3 is very sweet. Thanks again.
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    LCSO264 makes very good points, in a professional environment required to train with his equipment.
    I'd stick with one trigger system is a strong argument in the hands of a civilian, training unknown/questionable/lacking. I carry my P30SKS safety-off/hammer-down, I wouldn't be carrying a P30SK/LEM (if I had one). In the subject P30SK, same sights/grip/holster... DA/SA vs. LEM makes them different guns - pick your poison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LCSO264 View Post
    I concur with @MartyB and @ToyCop , like toyco, I carry handguns in one configuration, from my uniform duty gun, to my plain clothes duty gun. For me that is HK45 condition 1 (uniform), HK45C condition 1 (plain clothes/current assignment), and rarely my P30SKs condition one. I also generally try to carry my handgun in about the same location. for me this means at, or about 3 o'clock. that is where my duty belt holster is, and it is where I wear my IWB (and occasionally OWB) concealed/plain clothes holsters. Like MartyB said, it all about consistency and having things set up the same way every time, so that in the event you are forced to act, everything is second nature and you don't have to think about it. what brain power you are able to muster, needs to be focused on your threat, moving your feet, and dynamically stopping the threat. when these things happen under tremendous stress, we don't have the time or band width to be trying to remember what holster we're wearing, where the gun is, what retention level holster we chose to match our designer apparel, is there a manual safety/or not, what trigger pull am I going to encounter [as I'm prepping the trigger to make a high value shot]....... all this stuff, is stuff that should not even be a factor.

    I know, every time I leave, it might be the day that I'm put in a horrible position. I know where my handgun/holster is. I know as soon as I grasp the grip of my handgun I have my firing grip. I know every time I draw one of my carry guns, the safety comes off as the gun clears the holster, the gun comes up to eye level, and rails straight out putting the front sight in front of my eyes/nose. I know where the pressure wall in the trigger is, I know what I have to do to make clean high value hits. I know these things, because it is burned into me.

    I know I am a bit fanatical about this stuff. I'm a firearms trainer, and I/we regularly run our cops through very stressful con-sim training/sim training. Even just the pressure of a timed training cycle, not using UTM sim rounds, screws people up; and they're drawing from an open carry duty holster. You start introducing a threat who shoots UTM's back, and things often get down right crazy. You contrast that to guys who take this stuff seriously, and know how to move their feet and work a room/environment; and how they just mop up the "bad guy" role players. That contrast will make you a believer in muscle memory, and training your body to do things second nature.

    I'll jump down from my soap box now, I've rambled on enough...

    I'd stick with one trigger system.

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    We do quite a bit of SIMS training too. Recently, we got to try out one of those surround screen force simulators that give you a shock when you're "hit" with gun fire. They weren't set up for our guns, but luckily CBP uses H&K P2000s with the LEM so it wasn't too difficult to adapt to.

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    So much good information that you get to sift through. I think the LEM fits me best and get my P30sk LEM for carry soon.
    That doesn't mean I will ditch the P30 V3 or my CZ P01 for that matter (which I shoot better DA than my HK).
    Do you shoot a lot? I have shot about 4500 rounds through those 2 guns in about 9 months and would feel confident and comfortable with either. I actually enjoy changing between guns but that is at the range.
    In the end, it is what you feel serves and protects you best.

    Good luck.

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