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    Quote Originally Posted by echup View Post
    Ya, any word if they're gonna officially discontinue the paddle models? Description here: says "HK has gone away from paddle style mag release to button side release"
    The official HK site would then say, "Because we hate you"!
    The PPQ-M1/Classic was actually re-introduced after the M2 release, from demand by P99 users. Add to the dismay, the incompatible M1/M2 mags.

    The question rather is, other than the 1911 Browning manual of arms what does the button offer over the paddle?

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    Why would they discontinue the paddle in that they are calling this new model a “B”?

    If they discontinue paddles, I have no reason to stick with HK going forward. I’ll (maybe) keep what I have, but won’t be buying a button version.

    I want to pick up an SK, VP9L and OR with paddles. If they don’t release such, back to CZ and Glock for me. I’m used to Glock and CZ with buttons. No sense having VP9s in both configurations. I won’t be replacing what I already have with buttons...


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    Quote Originally Posted by GasGuzz View Post

    The question rather is, other than the 1911 Browning manual of arms what does the button offer over the paddle?
    Depends on a shooter, paddle, and intended use.

    I went several years with a P30 for everything and the paddle gave me a raging case of a "Glock knuckle". It was a function of how high I placed my strong hand on that frame. I still like the gun but I am not missing a recurrent skin breakdown on my middle finger. On a Glock you can round/bevel that area, no so much on a paddle.

    Some people, despite owning multiple HKs for decades with tens of thousands rounds through, don't have a dexterity to operate it with a trigger finger. And if you have to operate a paddle with your thumb, then what's the point?

    Operating the paddle with a trigger finger with a loaded gun on timer in a close proximity to a trigger (in battery speed reloads in competition) has been a subject of an intense debate. A lot of members here shoot competition, HK team uses those guns too, I did it myself for a few years. Nobody died. Yet people, correction, HK sponsored master class people, ND'd while executing a reload, for that specific reason, a proximity of a paddle to a trigger on a hot gun. So it is not just a theoretic concern.

    Buttons you can often set (through aftermarket options) to be reached without shifting a gun. Not always the case with paddles. For a USP/P2000 type of paddle, whether you can reach the paddle without shifting a gun or not, you have to break the grip because paddle rests on your middle finger and thus cannot be depressed down without moving that finger away. If you don't care how fast you want to reload your USP, no concern. If speed reload is important, not a great setup.
    Incidentally, that paddle design also prevents a high trigger guard undercut and placement of strong hand as high as possible on a gun. It actually moves the hand in less desirable direction, even if by a few mm. Even other paddles designs affect how high you can land on a front strap. Maybe something that most people don't care about; I personally don't own a gun that doesn't have it, from a factory or as an aftermarket modification.
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    Paddles aren’t going away. Paddles are still awesome. Personally, I am excited to have a “B” and look forward to comparing reload times with paddle vs button on the VP9. So far, I like the button and have put a large left panel, large backstrap, and medium right panel on the “B”. This combo feels pretty good for my hands and the button. (Excellent grip contact while reloading)

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    Since the magazines interchange,w/o the paddle,I wonder if the holsters interchange because,maybe,the trigger guard will be different where the paddles were(i.e. thinner/thicker/same).I am unable to tell by the picture.Any ideas?Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bystok View Post
    Paddles aren’t going away. Paddles are still awesome. Personally, I am excited to have a “B” and look forward to comparing reload times with paddle vs button on the VP9.
    I don't know if I'd expect any difference beyond anything what could be attributed to a familiarity and motor habits. For me releasing the mag and reacquiring the grip has never been a rate limiting step in reload.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vodka View Post
    Since the magazines interchange,w/o the paddle,I wonder if the holsters interchange because,maybe,the trigger guard will be different where the paddles were(i.e. thinner/thicker/same).I am unable to tell by the picture.Any ideas?Thanks.
    Is it confirmed that the mags will interchange?
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    B in a Bladetech holster


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    B in my competition holster by Armordillo Concealment


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