SA/DA or LEM P30L - Page 4
Page 4 of 9 FirstFirst ... 2 3 4 5 6 ... LastLast
Results 31 to 40 of 90
Like Tree42Likes

Thread: SA/DA or LEM P30L

  1. #31
    Junior Member

    Join Date : Jan 2018
    Location : Houston, TX
    Posts : 33
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)

    Default

    Thanks everyone. LEM reminds me of the trigger on a Kahr but maybe lighter. I don't carry for duty and don't care for DA/SA so I'll stick with my VP9.

  2. #32
    HKPRO PREMIUM PARTNER

    Join Date : Oct 2011
    Posts : 744
    Mentioned
    12 Post(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by igs View Post
    So you keep your finger on the trigger the whole time. Throughout the entire course of fire. When switching targets. When moving between targets. When not shooting. Wow. You're right I really need to shoot more and philosophize less since that's not how I shoot.
    Nice job ignoring the fact that I pointed out LEM isn't a competition trigger.
    Dve and boriedd704 like this.
    Own: HK91, SR9, SP5k, G36k, HK416, P30L, 2x P8, 2x P8A1, USP9
    Future: Done, until HK comes out with something new & nifty. Might start building an FNH collection.

  3. #33
    Gets the Shakes if No HK Contact in 24 Hour Period

    Join Date : Mar 2017
    Location : CO
    Posts : 761
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by chwebmaker View Post
    I spend more time shooting high end 1911's and customized BHP's which all have exceptional triggers... I did find an HK 45 V1 LEM...
    I have a D.Wesson/Commander and W.Combat/Compact in 9’s. If you’re talking Nighthawk BHP or better, I’d venture you can scratch the LEM itch.
    all have exceptional triggers... is very well an understatement, and perhaps why I still don’t have an LEM (nor striker).

  4. Remove Advertisements
    HKPro.com
    Advertisements
     

  5. #34
    Dve
    Dve is offline
    Member
    Dve's Avatar
    Join Date : Sep 2018
    Location : SE Louisiana
    Posts : 62
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by sickness View Post
    Nice job ignoring the fact that I pointed out LEM isn't a competition trigger.
    It's amazing how people criticize something, not even understanding the rationale behind it's design! Some of it is ignorance, and some of it is just people being morons. As sickness stated above, IT WASN'T DESIGNED WITH SPEED AS THE DOMINANT TRAIT!!**

    It was intended for people (LE/Mil) who will potentially be covering (muzzling) people in the line of duty, and the LEM system offers a cushion of safety to aid in the prevention of shooting someone who doesn't need to be shot, hence the 'Law Enforcement Modification'.
    It has traits of a SF gun (same pull every time) and a DA gun (length of pull), but is neither; that's what makes it truly unique. It's not necessarily better or worse than the other two, just different. **back to the speed issue with an LEM trigger. Although it was not designed with speed shooting in mind, a gun with a LEM trigger CAN be shot very fast, that is a fact. Go to GabeWhiteTraining.com and look up his shooting standards/awards, and you will see that a very experienced shooter from AZ, (GJM) won a Turbo Pin from Gabe White, using a USP w/LEM trigger. If you don't know what a Turbo Pin means, look it up, it requires a very high level of skill, and very few have won that award. Point is, although the LEM was not designed for speed, if the shooter does the work, and actually shoots the gun a LOT, very fast shooting can be done with it, but most people spend more time TALKING about their guns, and all of the mods they've done, as opposed to shooting it enough to truly know what the stock gun can do (drills, standards, etc.).

    If you really want to understand the LEM, check out Darryl Bolke's comments at Pistol Forum, it's pretty much the definitive text on it.
    Last edited by Dve; 06-26-2019 at 03:05 PM.
    boriedd704 and JonHK40 like this.

  6. #35
    igs
    igs is offline
    Senior Member

    Join Date : Jan 2018
    Posts : 103
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by sickness View Post
    Nice job ignoring the fact that I pointed out LEM isn't a competition trigger.
    Nice job agreeing with me.

    I was responding to your assertion:

    Quote Originally Posted by sickness
    LEM does not require you to completely release the trigger.
    Which doesn't just apply to competition, as I pointed out, but you ignored.

  7. #36
    HKPRO PREMIUM PARTNER

    Join Date : Oct 2011
    Posts : 744
    Mentioned
    12 Post(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by igs View Post
    Nice job agreeing with me.
    ...
    Which doesn't just apply to competition, as I pointed out, but you ignored.
    What should be evident is that I was speaking of a string of shots.

    And I didn't ignore the idea about your points only applying to competition -- I didn't consider it -- because I find it absurd. I don't know how you run and gun competition guys do things. But I decock while on the move (if not shooting). And I safety my rifle as it comes out of my shoulder as well.

    I see competition guys do stupid crap all the time that could get them killed or injured in a gun fight. Because in a game, its all about speed and no one is shooting back. So screw cover, just charge out there, and get the best angle on the targets and get your times down. Everyone does this.

    I've never seen trash or other junk on a competition range. Not much to trip on. No reason to hit the dirt. No crowd of people jostling around, maybe bumping into you. No chaos at all, really -- sure go run around with a DA/SA cocked. Hell leave the safety off too and shave off .0001 of a second.

    DA/SA guns have a better reset than LEM - go ahead and use it to decrease your split times. Train hard. You'll remember to decock during your game.

    But will have you the presence of mind to decock your pistol after shooting the bad guy and now turning your attention to a wounded victim that you care deeply about. Or, seeing your son lose all his red stuff, will you just cram that cocked pistol into your holster trying to get your hands over his wounds .. only to find you just poked a hole in yourself too? How much do you want to be holding a cocked pistol when you're blindsided and slammed to the ground by the bad guy's buddy you didn't see coming?

    In a real shooting -- the type of situations that the LEM is designed for -- that design is predicated on the basic notion that probably its the worst day of your life. And probably a whole lot more is going wrong than shooting at a bad guy. And probably your training is going to go all to hell under the stress. And probably you're encountering things you never trained for.

    And during that time, what you really want is a simple to use pistol with a good degree of inherent safety, where one must deliberately pull the trigger, each and every time. DAO fits the bill -- but it isn't as nice to use as a LEM trigger.

    'nuff said. LEM isn't the best for pew-pew games, but it helps to lessen the odds of even more things going sideways, when everything is already going wrong.
    Last edited by sickness; 06-26-2019 at 04:58 PM.
    boriedd704 likes this.

  8. #37
    Member
    Meho1277's Avatar
    Join Date : Dec 2018
    Posts : 80
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)

    Default

    LEM 4.1 all the way
    Get the LEM variant 1 and convert it to a variant 4.1

  9. #38
    igs
    igs is offline
    Senior Member

    Join Date : Jan 2018
    Posts : 103
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by sickness View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by igs View Post
    Nice job agreeing with me.
    ...
    Which doesn't just apply to competition, as I pointed out, but you ignored.
    What should be evident is that I was speaking of a string of shots.

    And I didn't ignore the idea about your points only applying to competition -- I didn't consider it -- because I find it absurd. I don't know how you run and gun competition guys do things. But I decock while on the move (if not shooting). And I safety my rifle as it comes out of my shoulder as well.

    I see competition guys do stupid crap all the time that could get them killed or injured in a gun fight. Because in a game, its all about speed and no one is shooting back. So screw cover, just charge out there, and get the best angle on the targets and get your times down. Everyone does this.

    I've never seen trash or other junk on a competition range. Not much to trip on. No reason to hit the dirt. No crowd of people jostling around, maybe bumping into you. No chaos at all, really -- sure go run around with a DA/SA cocked. Hell leave the safety off too and shave off .0001 of a second.

    DA/SA guns have a better reset than LEM - go ahead and use it to decrease your split times. Train hard. You'll remember to decock during your game.

    But will have you the presence of mind to decock your pistol after shooting the bad guy and now turning your attention to a wounded victim that you care deeply about. Or, seeing your son lose all his red stuff, will you just cram that cocked pistol into your holster trying to get your hands over his wounds .. only to find you just poked a hole in yourself too? How much do you want to be holding a cocked pistol when you're blindsided and slammed to the ground by the bad guy's buddy you didn't see coming?

    In a real shooting -- the type of situations that the LEM is designed for -- that design is predicated on the basic notion that probably its the worst day of your life. And probably a whole lot more is going wrong than shooting at a bad guy. And probably your training is going to go all to hell under the stress. And probably you're encountering things you never trained for.

    And during that time, what you really want is a simple to use pistol with a good degree of inherent safety, where one must deliberately pull the trigger, each and every time. DAO fits the bill -- but it isn't as nice to use as a LEM trigger.

    'nuff said. LEM isn't the best for pew-pew games, but it helps to lessen the odds of even more things going sideways, when everything is already going wrong.
    Thanks again for agreeing and making my point for me.

    LEM is terrible for the above situation because the trigger is light. Heavy LEM is ok but everyone here always recommends the light LEM.

    But with the heavy LEM you have that long pull on every shot. So it still sucks.
    Admiral likes this.

  10. #39
    Gets the Shakes if No HK Contact in 24 Hour Period
    seery's Avatar
    Join Date : Mar 2015
    Location : United States
    Posts : 710
    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)

    Default

    SA/DA was fine back in the day before we had choices.

    But now that we do, LEM is the only way to go.

    Sold all my non-LEM HK’s and no longer have a desire to ever own another.
    Dve, sickness and boriedd704 like this.

  11. #40
    Dve
    Dve is offline
    Member
    Dve's Avatar
    Join Date : Sep 2018
    Location : SE Louisiana
    Posts : 62
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by igs View Post
    Thanks again for agreeing and making my point for me.

    LEM is terrible for the above situation because the trigger is light. Heavy LEM is ok but everyone here always recommends the light LEM.

    But with the heavy LEM you have that long pull on every shot. So it still sucks.
    How much experience do you actually have with the LEM? How many rounds?

Page 4 of 9 FirstFirst ... 2 3 4 5 6 ... LastLast

Sponsored Links

 
 

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •