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    Quote Originally Posted by AGG View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vincent04 View Post
    I think the take-away from this thread is that we all should be more attentive to form, fit, and function details of HKs that are BK-dated and beyond. With HK so focused on still meeting LE and military contracts, I hope HK has not relaxed or rushed QC when it comes to their secondary customers (us) just to meet sales orders from us. It just takes a couple of bad apples to sour years if not decades of trust. What I find surprising about this thread is that there have been no issues thus far from HK-USA firearms. And I hope it stays that way.
    Absolutely my point. Not ragging, just observing with a keen eye for detail. Who knows, maybe the new finish is better?

    I know HK CS1 is floating around on these boards, I'd love an official comment on these observations, even if to just make sure we aren't going crazy here. HK, any desire to opine?
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    Bumping this thread because my BE HK45 has the horizontal lines and "deeper" finish like the older USPs, and my new BK HK45C exhibits the more matte finish. I wish the older finish was still present, because it looks better, but the new finish is still very tough. Gun function is unaltered, same quality as HK45.

    I'm currently looking at picking up a USP45 and will be on the lookout for poor fit and finish.
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    Just took delivery of a BK dated USP45 Expert from my LGS this past weekend. Here are my observations:

    1) The finish is more matte/satin like than my older HK USPs. I have a BE dated USP9 Expert whose finish is smoother. Ditto for my BH dated USP45 Elite.
    2) No detection of horizontal lines on the slide finish at all. No defects detected on the frame.
    3) The gun's innards were not dry. There was a healthy amount of cosmoline. It took awhile to clean it off.
    4) No slop in fitment between slide and frame. Removed the mag, decocked the trigger, and pressed together the top of the slide and bottom of the dustcover. No movement at all. For my BE dated Expert, there is some slop. For my BH dated Elite, some slop too.
    5) Gun was not difficult to rack out of the box. Some roughness, but what do you expect?
    6) Put 200 rounds on her. No reset or sight adjustments made out of the box. Did two-hand, slow relaxed fire. Got very tight 1-2 inch groupings 10-15 yards out. Gun is quite accurate IMHO.
    7) Gun has become easier to rack since.

    All is good with this gun.
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    Put the first 100 rounds through my BK FDE USP9 the other day. All went well. Seems more accurate than me even though the rear sight is slightly more towards the right. I will be having trijicon hd sights put on before i shoot it again probably so no big deal.
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    Recently bought a LNIB BK date code Full size USP 45, mine is still laser etched instead of roll marked HK, pretty goofy, the finish is a deep Black finish that looks a bit different than my AE date code OD Green Tactical/AE date code USP Compact 9mm, it DOES NOT look like quality has suffered one bit, it cycles and shoots as well and smooth as my other USP's

    The USP slide has ALWAYS sit a bit 'proud' on the front of the frame(full size and compact both), nothing unusual there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kost View Post
    [B]Recently bought a LNIB BK date code Full size USP 45, mine is still laser etched instead of roll marked HK, pretty goofy, ….
    That is very strange. Just when you think HK will roll mark their pistols, they throw a curve ball and laser etch.
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    Changes to roll markings and the finish of the gun are to be expected. See P7 and Mark 23. Unfortunately, the earlier models always tend to be the better looking and more desirable. Now, the USP gets to follow in the footsteps of its older siblings.

    As for that slide to frame fit, I'd make sure you are comparing apples to apples i.e. a new USP 9mm to an older USP 9mm. If you are comparing a 9mm to a .45 or a full size to a compact, you are going to notice differences. Superficial things like the variations in the frame moldings or where there is excess polymer flashing present will vary from model to model, and this is completely normal.
    Even trigger pull characteristics have always been different between a V1 USP .45 and V1 USP .45 Compact, just for example. Comparing a broken-in gun to a brand new one is going to have an effect as well.

    Definitely interesting to see the recent changes though. Thanks for sharing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CPshooter View Post
    ...As for that slide to frame fit, I'd make sure you are comparing apples to apples i.e. a new USP 9mm to an older USP 9mm. If you are comparing a 9mm to a .45 or a full size to a compact, you are going to notice differences...
    Given the same caliber, I'd expect an older USP to have a looser fit between slide and frame. Number and type of rounds fired, storage environment, material quality and age, maintenance and use, etc. all certainly play into that. I get it.

    But here's a twist.

    I have a friend who also has a BK-dated USP45 Expert like mine. He said there was looseness between frame and slide when he bought his gun. After 150+ rounds through it, there is no change in looseness.

    After 350 rounds total thru my USP45 Expert, there is still no slide/frame slop on my gun. Frame/slide fit is still tight as a drum.

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    Just bought a BK HK45 Tactical, has the same matte finish on the slide as my BK HK45C. My BE HK45 has a better slide finish.

    HK, if you're listening, I would appreciate if you would consider reinstating the older, glossier, deeper finish on the slide along with the date code, serial number, and other lettering on the slide. Thanks!

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