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    Wow, the mental gymnastics going on here to defend the VP9.

    For the record, six out of six VP9s I’ve tried this on will result in dead trigger. Hmm....but HK cannot replicate it? Hmmm.




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    From Rick’s account, as described here, we can assume that the Glock failed the drop test and the VP9 passed it?

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    I absolutely believe the story of the VP9 passing drop tests for breakage when other models failed. But apparently this is a separate issue and it desperately needs to be addressed.

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    Not much of a forum poster, but I just signed up to the forum to tell my experience on this subect.

    I have a VP9 that was manufactured in 2017. I have around 9500 rounds through it, and just replaced all the springs, except the RSA.
    The reason I mention the respring, is because I tried this with fresh springs.

    I couldn't get the striker to drop using the method seen on other demos, so I put a piece of unpadded carpet on a cement floor and smacked it with quite a bit of force (2 times).
    This was done with an empty mag in place, and with more force than would be generated from a fall or a body slam. The first thing I looked for was damaged to the mag base pad and magwell. None.

    The striker did drop, and it was able to re engage the sear by racking the slide.
    Here is the bad part.
    The force generated actually disengaged the drop safety spring from the swivel lever, rendering it inoperable. It would swing freely.

    This wasn't a controlled or scientific test, but it's what I experienced. Take it for whatever you think it's worth.
    I don't really want to try it again, because I could possibly crack the frame. Not to mention, the drop safety spring isn't the most enjoyable thing to reinstall properly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mngo888 View Post
    Okay, if you are claiming that Rick Holmes has a bias towards the VP9 (just like Bruce Gray with the Sig p320) enough so that it is making him make up this whole thing
    No, I said that Rick conveyed the info he received from SIG, as opposed to being present at the tests. I also implied, and now saying this explicitly, that SIG's recent conduct has put them in a place where I will not trust absolutely any information that comes out of that company. None, irrespective of whether it relates to their or other's products and whether it puts said products in a positive or negative light.


    I do find it interesting that Rick, who probably has had more VP9s through his hands than most people, hasn't said anything about his personal experience with this problem. I read his quote as a statement of confidence into the VP9's design, and that he believed that striker drops are isolated events related to issues typical of mass produced items (which actually implies that he does not overtly disbelieve the reports). What he hasn't said was if he has adopted a practice of checking the VP9s that go through his shop for striker drop, and how many, if any, he has seen do that.
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    I'm not going to go quote happy to reply. trying to not lean on one side or the other on this discussion. Its just my inner nerd wanting the data. This discussion is actually good as it is consolidating details on this issue.

    we now have a fair amount of accounts that prove no issue here, on reddit and FB; and reports of failures. (Edited- read something wrong) This all also still doesnt account for wear, care and mods. Also, video is the only real proof of all these failures or its all hear say and we only know of 1? video proving this.

    I also urge you to read the 2nd FB post I shared. That guy reported the issue does exist and one of the last post here both showed you would need a lot of force and the springs\mods matter. A post on reddit was interesting. A farmer carries a vp9sk owb and bangs into things with it while working. He reported no issues and bone stock.

    Forgot: if we are not going to take Rick's claim then why are we taking anyone's here that cant show proof one way or another (vids or it didnt happen). From his reply he for sure doesn't deny the issue, but reported that there has been tests done that show positive results. He makes money regardless off HK and if anything this would be something he could sell a part or service for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Solidcore View Post
    I'm not going to go quote happy to reply. trying to not lean on one side or the other on this discussion. Its just my inner nerd wanting the data. This discussion is actually good as it is consolidating details on this issue.

    we now have a fair amount of accounts that prove no issue here, on reddit and FB; and reports of failures. (Edited- read something wrong) This all also still doesnt account for wear, care and mods. Also, video is the only real proof of all these failures or its all hear say and we only know of 1? video proving this.

    I also urge you to read the 2nd FB post I shared. That guy reported the issue does exist and one of the last post here both showed you would need a lot of force and the springs\mods matter. A post on reddit was interesting. A farmer carries a vp9sk owb and bangs into things with it while working. He reported no issues and bone stock.

    Forgot: if we are not going to take Rick's claim then why are we taking anyone's here that cant show proof one way or another (vids or it didnt happen). From his reply he for sure doesn't deny the issue, but reported that there has been tests done that show positive results. He makes money regardless off HK and if anything this would be something he could sell a part or service for.
    My SK is a stock model, from the factory in 2018 and has about 2500 rounds through it. Wear is not the issue nor are there any modifications to the pistol. I was able to replicate this multiple times with little force and no need for a rubber hammer (although one was used initially). I do not feel the need to make a video to prove anything to anyone; I am an established member here and a self-admitted HK fanboy. I have defended the VP9 in the past against other perceived issues. This is not a "perceived" issue. It has been replicated here and elsewhere by folks with stock VP9 pistols from many different production batches.

    Again, I am not telling everyone to dump their VP9s but it is an issue that owners of these pistols should know about. For someone using these pistols as a carry gun, they may want to weigh their options until HK responds to this. For a professional using the VP9 as a duty weapon, I don't know if they should continue to carry it in the meantime. Only the individual users can make that determination for themselves.
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    Is there any reports of the VP40 with the same issues. I think it has a larger slide but would imagine it has the same issues?
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    Problems such as this are very hard to track in the wild.

    For example, if a police department carries these pistols, the chances are very low that an upset striker would be discovered in use. Because that implies an officer drew and fired and nothing happened, and that the cops who didn't draw and fire on duty can tell when they operate the slide next time that the striker had been forward. In my experience, most cops don't have firearms acumen to notice and don't care to acquire it.

    Police shootings aren't as common as one might believe and departments that carry this pistol are rarer yet. When that duty pistol IS fired, it is usually done at the range, and prior to the shooting, there is usually a pistol inspection or an unload and reload with practice ammo or some other safety or training activity that would diminish the likelihood of discovering the situation. Almost never does a police or military range session begin with "Welcome to the range, draw and shoot that target".
    I have never seen (in ordinary circumstances), in military or police organizations, a loaded firearm handed over for inspection, still loaded and in battery, to an armorer.
    Thus would most evidence of the striker upset problem disappear.

    In fact, I believe the farmer mentioned in a post above, would be more likely to find the striker upset problem than a police department might be. The farmer shoots his pistol when he damn well pleases and probably does nothing to the pistol before he does so. But the farmer deals with only one such pistol, so may not amount to much of a testbed.

    Glock had serious problems in the Gen 1 guns. Maybe these were cleared up in later generation versions. I was in the next room when one AD happened when a holstered pistol was struck, and I personally know three guys who witnessed other Glock ADs when the guns were struck or dropped. Even before watching that boondoggle unfold and receive almost no public exposure (and no recalls I ever heard of - as far as I know all the civilian Gen 1 Glocks are still out there someplace equipped with the internal parts as-issued), I jettisoned the Glock and went DA/SA SIG.
    I was soured on striker fired pistols then and there and I won't go back. Don't have to. I can buy what I want nowadays.

    I don't put this VP9 problem in the same class as the Glock problem because the pistols haven't discharged. Another safety device or some feature or sheer luck may have prevented that. If you ask me, though, the sear itself (in a striker-fired gun) is safety device number ONE as well as being a critical MOVING part of the action. When the sear is suspect in any gun, you can count me out.

    I don't have a VP9 and never have had one. If I did and if I liked striker fired pistols, I wouldn't carry a VP9 until this matter was thoroughly proven cured. I'm not carrying guns for inconsequential reasons. Mine have to work (or at least not be self-pre-failed before the first shot is fired) immediately, every time. I don't carry guns to brandish them and I can run away faster without the weight of a fully loaded but useless gun in one of my hands.

    No offense intended. I've been through the same pistolero taffy pulls over Glocks and other guns I had paid good money for. This is just how I see things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RDA View Post
    Not much of a forum poster, but I just signed up to the forum to tell my experience on this subect.

    I have a VP9 that was manufactured in 2017. I have around 9500 rounds through it, and just replaced all the springs, except the RSA.
    The reason I mention the respring, is because I tried this with fresh springs.

    I couldn't get the striker to drop using the method seen on other demos, so I put a piece of unpadded carpet on a cement floor and smacked it with quite a bit of force (2 times).
    This was done with an empty mag in place, and with more force than would be generated from a fall or a body slam. The first thing I looked for was damaged to the mag base pad and magwell. None.

    The striker did drop, and it was able to re engage the sear by racking the slide.
    Here is the bad part.
    The force generated actually disengaged the drop safety spring from the swivel lever, rendering it inoperable. It would swing freely.

    This wasn't a controlled or scientific test, but it's what I experienced. Take it for whatever you think it's worth.
    I don't really want to try it again, because I could possibly crack the frame. Not to mention, the drop safety spring isn't the most enjoyable thing to reinstall properly.
    You definitely need to change out your drop safety spring then. I don't see mechanically how your drop safety spring slipped out of the drop safety unless the drop safety spring was weakened some how. Also you may have forgotten to put in your drop safety pin back in the slide to secure it place. Downward force shouldn't affect the drop safety itself since it is pinned down. Props to you for being able to generate more force than a fall or body slam on your VP9. Thanks for the information.

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