What you're essentially saying is this: There are larger, more common, causes of failure than this issue, so we shouldn't be too concerned about it. That is the logic you're using. And you keep pushing it, despite reasonable objections to the contrary -- I can only assume this is because you're emotionally involved in this whole discussion.
So lets take the discussion away from guns, and the VP9 for a moment. Lets just look at the LOGIC alone. Applying this logic, we have the following:
The top, most common, causes of death in the U.S are heart disease, and cancer. So, given those big concerns, why worry too much about car accidents? Or in any case, who cares what the safety rating on a particular model car is. Those ratings are all from "controlled tests" which mean nothing in the real world. What we need to see is how many actual deaths occur during accidents, then we'll know if the car has a problem or not. Besides, since you guys all eat steaks and smoke cigarettes, its clear that you're not too worried about your health or dying, so why bother wearing a seat belt.
Can you not appreciate how bat-**** crazy this sounds!!?!
Own: HK91, SP5k, G36k, HK416, P30L, 2x P8, P8A1, USP SD, USP9, USP9 FDE
Future: SP5? Assuming I can find an honest seller.
The VP9 is unvetted? Isn't it so convenient that the required time a gun needs to be around to be vetted is just about the same amount of time your carry gun has been around? The VP9 is used by law enforcement in the united states, all across the world, and is used by the Japanese military. In my opinion its vetted enough. Could it be more? Or course. But it would be wrong to say that the reliability of the VP9 is "an unknown." I said to not trust your gut in that other post.
Yes I know that all pistols can do these malfunctions including the VP9. The point was that there are all of these malfunctions that we agree can occur more frequently as a whole compared to the VP9. There are dozens of things that can go wrong but no one really care about these malfunctions. Most people aren't buying stand off devices, recessing their magazine buttons, buying guns without safeties, or permanently staking sights. These would greatly mitigate these other malfunctions but people mostly aren't doing these things. So why do you care so much about this specific malfunction especially since they occur less compared to others combined.
Lol Its not crazy. You are using examples in that the punishment for ignoring them do not effect you at the same times. This greatly affects the motivate to do something about it. Car accidents are sudden causes of death and affect us now. Lung cancer and heart disease have an insidious progression and doesn't affect you until decades away. At least you can live a decent amount of time before dying. That is why no one cares about heart disease and lung cancer in this country. Why would they care about not smoking that one pack today when it will affect them 30 years down the line? If I have a two possibilities (Any gun malfunction or vp9 sear drop) that affect me right now (gun fight) and one is more likely (any other malfunction) than anyone would prepare for it. But most people don't and make a big deal about something less likely.
BTW heart disease and lung cancer are the number 1 cause of PREVENTABLE death in the united states. This just shows how the timing of consequences effect the levels of someones motivation.
Last edited by mngo888; 02-11-2020 at 09:58 PM.
Where did I say what I carry?
No major LE Agency carries a VP9. Some authorize it, but that doesn’t make it vetted.
Tell us more about your religion.
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Here, we have a demonstrable issue with the VP9 -- an issue which, however unlikely to happen "in the field" nevertheless COULD happen -- and need not (other guns don't have this problem).
So, whatever hassles, issues or problems pistols may have -- I am in a position where I can choose a pistol with N problems -- or the VP9 with N+1 issues.
This issue with the VP9, however, is that the gun is just crapping itself. Bottom line.