That sure is out of left field.
I don’t recall anyone referring to any of this discussion as weird, nor did it drift. The progress in the discussion was part of answering OPs question.
If you live in California, you did the right thing by buying .45. If you are restricted via magazine capacity, you go with the biggest caliber you can safely control and manage.
I do support standardization and owning .45 does not take away from that. In the U.S., .45 is a standard caliber.
There is more U.S. domestic .45 caliber ammunition production than anywhere else in the world.
That said, for easy off the shelf availability, 95% of my pistol purchases are based on 9mm, which is the global standard.
There is no caliber debate here. The choice has to do with availability and what ammo manufacturers are producing.
Ammunition made overseas is imported into the U.S. By having more competition, this helps to keep prices down so we can all shoot more.
Miami shootout or it can be ten years' study of LE encounters and 9mm will fall under scrutiny again. It is not a future-proof universal cartridge. I shoot USP40 and USP45 more accurately and comfortably. Almost as if practice with a caliber makes perfect. So I'd be dumber than a canister full of empty shells to dump my forties and forty-fives as long as the ammo is affordable. When the next big ammo panic follows a big war or a Democrat White House or another COVID shutdown: 9mm can disappear from the shelves and I'll still have a pistol to shoot on a Saturday.
To the OP: The VP9 OR is available from dealers now. There isn't a VP9 OR Tactical that I have seen so if you insist on tactical then you can find 9mm threaded barrels in stock. You'll have to buy the plate adapter for your optic separately, so that's another 35 bucks or so on top of the more expensive version of the VP. I don't know if there is a tactical VP recoil rod available but if you run a suppressor that would also be an add-on price.
Edit: Sorry, the thread moved ahead of me in the time it took to post this. Looks like you ordered. Let us know how it goes!
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Arrived yesterday afternoon...as advertised. Sights are definitely going to need replaced once I get the RDS on it.
Otherwise serviceable sights and shoots well. Happy with the purchase.
Try the small backstrap if you have Large/XL hands. You only need a parallel pin punch to drift it out.
I only own three 9's - two SP5k's that are still NIB and an Expert - I have not fired any of them. Not sure if I'm keeping them or not. Might sell all three. OR NOT, just have not thought about it much.
I DO OWN loads of USP in 40 - full size, compact, tactical, Expert - and I'm looking at adding an MP5/40 - because hey, I love 40...
And right now I don't want a UMP in 45... I wonder if ANYONE has made the UMP in 40?
Again, to all of you who have passed on the 40 cal - thank you - that's the SALESMEN getting all those LEO department's to switch from 40 to 9 about ten(ish) years ago.
So much so that now, the 40 S&W rounds are now 'out of favor' - of the salesmen - ONE DAY there will be a renaissance of the 40 cal and these same salesmen will laud the excellent stats of the 40 - probably be another ten years - gotta remember 'life cycles' that large departments subscribe to.
As of right now, for premium ammo WINCHESTER RANGER BONDED HOLLOW POINTS you will see they are a little higher for the 9 mm over the 40 S&W. (.54 for 9 and .48 for 40) in the 500 round order. SGAMMO.COM is the place I order all my ammo for the past 20+ years.
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I said I haven't bought one, never said I wouldn't buy one.
Of course if I DID buy one I might very well get a conversion barrel or two for it in .357 Sig and 9mm.
I have however sold a few when I used to hang out at the gunshop enough that I got pulled behind the counter.
Also put a few people together when one of the other shop guys bought one and didn't plan on keeping it.
Getting one of my coworkers or someone else to pick it up saved me a lot of money as I didn't have to buy the gun, the extra mags, the reloading dies, an entirely new supply of ammo in yet another caliber.
CA now makes ordering ammo a pain in the posterior. SGAmmo has been good to deal with but I've never found a place that satisfies all my ammo wish list.
Sorry. This is not reality and this is wrong.
1. The writing was on the wall in 2014 when SOCOM began large scale transition to 9mm handguns.
2. DOJ and FBI have outsize influence due to FBI having a ballistics laboratory and the means of studying bullet technology and performance.
3. When DOJ/FBI jumped onboard, you then saw major US Police Departments follow suit. This has large influence on smaller departments who utilize their data and receive assistance and recommendations from them on equipment and gear, etc...
It has nothing to do with ammo salesmen.
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