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    Default MP5 new, fully transferable on GB - what am I missing??

    Just saw this, what am I missing?

    https://www.gunbroker.com/item/788601664

    Looks like SN of 7933 and IF date code with swing down trigger pack.

    If its a true MP5, it’s SOT only correct? $51k for a dealer sample? Seems rich to me even if NIB.

    He states fully transferable, no mention of 94 conversion or Dealer Sample. Is this a deceptive advert?

    I’m trying to learn here, please help.

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    That’s a Registered Receiver gun built on a HK94 by Bill Wittstein of Billistics in Wallingford, Ct. Was probably built in the early 1980’s. Billistics guns are as close to the read deal MP5 you can get. Back in the day German parts for FA conversion were hard to come by. Where others were making sears, Bill was able to get real deal FA trigger groups.

    I’ve got one of these guns. The beauty of it is the ability to take all off the shelf German FA parts. The downside is no flexibility.
    Others can chime in, but I think the price is a bit high, I would expect $38-42k for a good RR gun. However, a gun in this condition, from this builder is a rarity.


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    https://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-nfa-t...istic-inc.html
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    Converted 94, push pin machine gun. That's my take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CircleSH View Post
    Others can chime in, but I think the price is a bit high, I would expect $38-42k for a good RR gun.
    Yeah, $52k sounds like the seller is heavy on the pipe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SudS View Post
    Converted 94, push pin machine gun. That's my take.
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    Yeah, $52k sounds like the seller is heavy on the pipe.
    Agree on both. Also at some point the lower got upgraded. Not sure how you would really tell if the gun was actually unfired of if it had been refinished at some point and is unfired since.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CircleSH View Post
    That’s a Registered Receiver gun built on a HK94 by Bill Wittstein of Billistics in Wallingford, Ct. Was probably built in the early 1980’s. Billistics guns are as close to the read deal MP5 you can get. Back in the day German parts for FA conversion were hard to come by. Where others were making sears, Bill was able to get real deal FA trigger groups.

    I’ve got one of these guns. The beauty of it is the ability to take all off the shelf German FA parts. The downside is no flexibility.
    Others can chime in, but I think the price is a bit high, I would expect $38-42k for a good RR gun. However, a gun in this condition, from this builder is a rarity.


    Found this...
    https://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-nfa-t...istic-inc.html
    7933 is on the list in the documents in the court proceedings


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    Price is way too high, with the run up in sears and trigger frames to 30k+, push pin guns haven't really moved off of the 30-35k price point. 52k is above M60 belt-fed, and into top-tier Colt Thompsons. I can't imagine it selling at this price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dbealmear View Post
    7933 is on the list in the documents in the court proceedings


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    Weren’t some of those guns on the list finished off by other smiths, not necessarily to the quality level of Billistics?

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    Does anyone know if Bill Wittstein of Billistics in Wallingford, Ct had any professional relationship with Douglas L. Oefinger from Stamford, Ct.? It is interesting to me that both these individuals -- whose shops were about an hour apart -- had access to genuine HK full-auto parts pre-86 when they were extremely difficult to obtain in the U.S. I know Doug's came from his travel to Europe and purchase of lots of parts and guns from there, it would be interesting to know if Bill also traveled to Europe to obtain parts or if he was connected with Doug and purchased parts from him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SudS View Post
    Weren’t some of those guns on the list finished off by other smiths, not necessarily to the quality level of Billistics?
    There is a notation on the list--- "Incomplete"!!!

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