Just got one for my PTR 91 GI. It fit great. In fact, the selector is much easier to work and does not not require tilting the weapon like the PTR green grip with the HK Black grip. It appears the HK Black grip is thinner which allows more of of the shooters thumb to reach the selector.
Surplus. When the cheap surplus dried up I had heard that these were still available in Germany but at outrageous prices. These days the price doesn't seem so outrageous
I would characterize it as service grade in Good/Very Good condition. I oiled the wood with some WD40 and took a toothbrush to the metal. The wood has rack marks on it but there are not cracks or damage outside of the rack marks. I have not "steamed" the wood to remove any of the marks. The wood on the inside of the handguard was pretty dry and needs some linseed oil. It was obviously in storage for a while but saw light use as there was not any of the typical oil saturation marks found in milsurp wood stocks.
I do plan on taking some boiled linseed oil or whatever the Bundeswehr use to maintain the wood but I will not "refinish" it, sand it, or do anything else. I want to leave it as close to service condition as possible.
The Metal on the ButtStock is marked HK 1/67:
For comparison...The Rifle with Green furniture, Wide Handguard, and HK21 buttpad:
I would characterize it as service grade in Good/Very Good condition. I oiled the wood with some WD40 and took a toothbrush to the metal. The wood has rack marks on it but there are not cracks or damage outside of the rack marks. I have not "steamed" the wood to remove any of the marks. The wood on the inside of the handguard was pretty dry and needs some linseed oil. It was obviously in storage for a while but saw light use as there was not any of the typical oil saturation marks found in milsurp wood stocks.
I do plan on taking some boiled linseed oil or whatever the Bundeswehr use to maintain the wood but I will not "refinish" it, sand it, or do anything else. I want to leave it as close to service condition as possible.
For comparison...The Rifle with Green furniture, Wide Handguard, and HK21 buttpad:
As far as I know, they were installing surplus G3 wood stock sets rather than making new ones. Once their stockpile of surplus was gone, the option was no longer offered.
I remember reading somewhere that the German stocks were made by a subcontractor, though I can't remember now where I read that. It was when I was looking in vain for a source of the steel caps, just some link I came across in an hour or so of googling, maybe 3 years ago.
The 30 or so stocks I've either refinished, shortened, or otherwise cut up were all either birch wood or some variety of mahogany, both of which look like walnut when all three are stained with a red-brown stain.
Most I've worked with have a distinctive smell, but I wouldn't call it bad. Smells like an old wood finish made with the cheapest oil available. Kind of like oil + old canvas tarps. Oily and musty. You could try going over it with some linseed oil from the hardware store, the dryers used in the linseed might help polymerize the original finish.
Ok one more time. I got a new wood stock off a PTR rifle it now on my HK91. I will post pictures for those non believers. I like to find some for my HK93
I received almost new looking G3 stock sets too, they were just lightly used and or never issued stock sets. PTR never manufactured G3 wood stock sets.
There may well be unissued stocks out there, sure.
That is a German military stock, and it does look like it's never had a recoil assembly on the front. The lack of thread inserts doesn't mean much, they thread out as easily as they thread in. Those inserts are intended to cut their own threads, basically get installed once and never removed, so if the holes were threaded it had inserts once. The manufacturer might have pre-threaded the holes, as I do, but that would require an extra step that production shops generally wouldn't do.
No one is making production wood stocks, no one has made production wood stocks since the original 1960's German/Italian ones. There are a few guys out there who make custom stocks, as I do. None of us hollow the stock out like you see on a German stock like yours. I could never figure out why they bothered spec'ing that on the originals - that was an engineer who never held a piece of wood!
Eastern NM? Where abouts? I split my time between Cloudcroft and Corona.
It was quite apparent by the pores and grain of the wood that the ferrules had never been installed. The light stain also made it clear that no end cap had ever been pushed on. NOS items pop up here and there. Kinda miraculous, but it happens. Where there was one, there could have been a crate of them.
What I did find was an ad at HK Specialists listing a NEW PRODUCTION Wood A3 stock by MKE. But no other info like how many, or even when they were made. But it does specify NEW PRODUCTION.
Since HK Specialist was started in 2009, it would appear that MKE made these after that, or at least possibly around that time. It could also be considered, that since HK Specialist, and PTR are both located in South Carolina, that PTR could have ended up with some of these stocks from them. Be it a swap or whatever.
I can vouch that it was shipped within 100 miles of Aynor SC. It was certainly so pristine, that I wasn't about to install it on my field piece. I have done loads of stocks myself, including mods. Working with wood for 50+ years, you can tell when it's been handled much.
I'm in remote central ranchland area. 40 miles west of Texas. We have to drive to Amarillo for Burger King.
They had that listing up for years, always with 0 in stock. Its possible MKE got the machinery to do it, but since I've never heard of anyone getting one of these, I kinda doubt it. If that author was right about the wood parts being Italian subcontract work, I would tend to doubt MKE made their own even more.
Wouldn't surprise me at all if the one you had was unissued, there's always a little brand new looking surplus stuff with any flood of parts from warehouses. It would surprise me a lot if any of it were truly new production. No one's ever heard of it, and at the time PTR was selling rifles with wood, everyone said that was the cause of the surplus stocks drying up in the blink of an eye. Hell, at $20 a pop, retail, who could blame them for buying it up and offering the option?
Are there trees in Turkey? I know there are of course, I just find it hard to believe that MKE manufactured wood butt stocks. I wonder if Gordon can enlighten us as to the backstory regarding these stocks.
Huh, I had no idea. It's kind of interesting what is available. I don't know about inexpensive though - at least not through their US facing side of the business.
I have never seen anything that indicates anyone is making new production Wood Stock sets for the G3 series. The Polymer stocks are just more desirable from a military POV. Wood stocks are expensive and harder to maintain. Unissued but not new production.
In fact the US Army evaluation of the G3 rifle in 7.62mm and 5.56mm in January 1969 recommends reducing the weight by using a synthetic stock.
I do not see there being a enough of a market for any new production stocks. It would be nice.
What I did find was an ad at HK Specialists listing a NEW PRODUCTION Wood A3 stock by MKE.
It looks like vaporware but it would be nice if true. Kind of a unicorn, LOL.
I contacted PTR and asked them if they know if anyone has made new wooden stocks for the HK 91/PTR 91 series.
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