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    Quote Originally Posted by bastardsonofelvis View Post
    I can have SO much more fun with that much money. I’ve always thought the SDs are goofy lookin anyway.
    To each his own.
    I understand what you are saying about the looks, but it’s a whole different story when you have one in your hands. I had a chance to purchase a P7M8SD, which is even more rare and cost considerably more, but it did not feel or look as good in my hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brobus View Post
    The only mechanical difference is the threaded barrel. There are a couple cosmetic differences and obviously a known serial number range. Any P7 with an extended barrel is extremely rare. Bruce Gray made some long slides for HK and he had problems getting the barrels so he had to rework his design to a long slide with a standard barrel.
    Brobus,

    Care to share what specific cosmetic differences and the serial range for these beauties?

    I wonder if the SD configuration is printed on the box?

    Can someone add a threaded barrel to cosmetically look like a factory SD and then mate it to an ordinary M13?

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by airforce1 View Post
    Brobus,

    Care to share what specific cosmetic differences and the serial range for these beauties?

    I wonder if the SD configuration is printed on the box?

    Can someone add a threaded barrel to cosmetically look like a factory SD and then mate it to an ordinary M13?

    Thanks!
    These 34 P7M13SDs were originally for a European Special Forces unit, therefore they are European pistols. Many are unaware that there are two different serial ranges (European and American). In this case, the American ones have a 17- serial prefix and the European ones Do Not. Keep in mind that the P7M13s were only available to Law Enforcement in the mid late 90s-2000s BC of the assault weapons ban. If the 34 P7M13SDs were imported between 1995 (when they were made ) to 2004, they would have had the Sterling VA import marks. The 34 SDs were imported in 2005, so they have the Trussville AL marks. It is easy to remember the KF date code because “F” means Fail. As in, this is the year HK failed. It’s all about manufacturing cost and HK decided to make things cheaper in 1995 (kF). One of the ways they did this was by changing the engraving from silver engraved serial and proof marks to laser engraved w/ tan paint color fill. This is why the import marks look completely different from the other markings on the pistols.

    The SD is not printed on the box on these 34 pistols. The only SD that I have ever seen with and SD labeled box was a P7M8SD that sat around the the HK factory for some time. The pistol was supposedly made, never had a box, then a box was made years later before it left the HK factory.

    In theory someone could take a standard P7M13, find someone with a barrel press and swap out the barrels. The problem is finding a barrel! HK does not date code P7 barrels if they were installed in a gun when they left the factory. A barrel that was NOT in a gun when it left the factory will usually be dated coded. The 34 P7M13SDs DO NOT have date codes on the barrels. There were some very rare cases where HK shipped an SD with a date coded barrel. One of those example is in the FW Moll Raritaten book. It is a KD dated coded P7M13SD with a KI (1998) dated coded barrel. That particular pistol did not leave the factory until 1998 which is why the test target is dated 1998. Again, extended barrels are extremely rare and Will usually sell for thousands of dollars “IF” you can find one.

    Here is the serial information. The "no date" means that there is no date code on the test target. There are some that will argue that there are 35 of these known, however #92248 Does NOT have the Trussville AL import marks so I don’t consider it one. #92248 is believed to still be in Europe and would have different import marks should it ever be imported.

    P7 M13SD S# 92234 (lowest serial) KF No Date Rare (1 of 35)
    P7 M13SD S# 92235 KF No Date Rare (1 of 35)
    P7 M13SD S# 92236 KF No Date Rare (1 of 35)
    P7 M13SD S# 92237 KF No Date Rare (1 of 35)
    P7 M13SD S# 92238 KF No Date Rare (1 of 35)
    P7 M13SD S# 92239 KF No Date Rare (1 of 35)
    P7 M13SD S# 92240 KF No Date Rare (1 of 35)
    P7 M13SD S# 92241 KF No Date Rare (1 of 35)
    P7 M13SD S# 92242 KF No Date Rare (1 of 35)
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    P7 M13SD S# 92246 KF No Date Rare (1 of 35)
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    P7 M13SD S# 92249 KF No Date Rare (1 of 35)
    P7 M13SD S# 92250 KF No Date Rare (1 of 35)
    P7 M13SD S# 92251 KF No Date Rare (1 of 35)
    P7 M13SD S# 92252 KF No Date Rare (1 of 35)
    P7 M13SD S# 92253 KF No Date Rare (1 of 35)
    P7 M13SD S# 92254 KF No Date Rare (1 of 35)
    P7 M13SD S# 92255 KF No Date Rare (1 of 35)
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    P7 M13SD S# 92260 KF No Date Rare (1 of 35)
    P7 M13SD S# 92261 KF No Date Rare (1 of 35)
    P7 M13SD S# 92262 KF No Date Rare (1 of 35)
    P7 M13SD S# 92263 KF No Date Rare (1 of 35)
    P7 M13SD S# 92264 KF No Date Rare (1 of 35)
    P7 M13SD S# 92265 KF No Date Rare (1 of 35)
    P7 M13SD S# 92266 KF No Date Rare (1 of 35)
    P7 M13SD S# 92267 KF No Date Rare (1 of 35)
    P7 M13SD S# 92268 KF No Date Rare (1 of 35)
    P7 M13SD S# 92269 KF No Date Rare (1 of 35)
    P7 M13SD S# 92270 KF No Date Rare (1 of 35)
    P7 M13SD S# 92271 KF No Date Rare (1 of 35)
    P7 M13SD S# 92272 KF No Date Rare (1 of 35)
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    P7 M13SD S# 92275 KF No Date Rare (1 of 35)
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    P7 M13SD S# 92277 KF No Date Rare (1 of 35)
    P7 M13SD S# 92278 KF No Date Rare (1 of 35)
    P7 M13SD S# 92279 (highest serial) KF No Date Rare (1 of 35)
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    Looks like Keystone did it again! A reputable buyer bought it for $24,995.
    Last edited by Brobus; 06-22-2020 at 02:50 AM.

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    A 5 feedback bidder who was already winning at 15k decides to buy it now at 25k? Popcorn indeed!
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    Wow, that is amazing. The stock market is flying high and there's bound to be a lot of play money available in addition to just having it already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckee View Post
    Wow, that is amazing. The stock market is flying high and there's bound to be a lot of play money available in addition to just having it already.
    Lots of PPE money out there........Know a contractor who had more business than he could already keep up with filed for PPE during Corona got 300k deposited into his account.......You gotta love our "Conservative" Govt SMH
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