I highly recommend H&K shorten the upper a bit to make room for 9" barrel option for PDW & CQC application.
I hope they're not over-looking this. Compact assault rifles are pretty popular theseday. It would suck if your costumer asked for a 9" PDW variant and you have to design a new upper receiver just for that.
Consider EVERYTHING and make your upper universal for barrel lengths ranging from Compact/PDW to full-size rifle.
And oh, an collapsible stock option (like MP5A3) would be a good idea, too.
Last edited by MP5_smg; 02-04-2017 at 08:05 PM.
Jim, is there motivation for 416A5 upper production stateside and using A-D steel, for civilian consumption with the new team?
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SCAR with hints of HK all around.
Just needs a bayonet lug along with M-Lok rail slots and I'll sell my entire collection of boat anchors to get a few.
Thank you for the added extras, and I feel certain you've bitten your tongue ten thousand times, while reading over our less than stellar posts. I truly appreciate the input you've added to this conversation. Cheers!!!
PS....and while I REALLY want to know what the "others" are, and I know you've been through a lot here........you and I both know,....its the secret squirrel, decoder ring, 4Q, HK revolver series. Go ahead...give me the wink there........
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11" 416 is 6.86lbs while the 11" 433 is listed as 7.15lbs
14.5" 416 is 7.7lbs while the 14.5" 433 is listed as 7.5lbs
I suspect the polymer lower, extruded 1-piece aluminum upper and likely the use of some common parts (bolt? op rod? piston?) make it a lower cost/higher profit margin option as well as an alternative to those markets that aren't really into the 416. I also suspect that a few parts like the 416's quad rail is not a cheap/easy part to produce nor would a 1-piece carrier.
I'm sure the 433 will run like a sewing machine, but to date, I have yet to see any AR18 derivitive (G36, SCAR, ACR, etc.) with out some major drawback that is in some way linked to the design. No design is devoid of weakness.
I mentioned this before, one advantage I see for the 416 is the manual of arms, potential slimness and real estate for accessories. You have to remember, many of us have seen this movie MANY times before with the "AR-killer" that is anything but. For about 10 years now, it seems that many shooters/armed professionals have just dug deep and decided to make the best of what they've got and committed to the AR platform. Better barrels, rails, triggers, components and half a century of experience/failures to draw upon is why (believe it or not) there are some serious, door-kickin' dudes that would likely trade an HK 433 in a heartbeat for a Hodge Defense Mod 2. The point being, there are just some handling methods and kit load-outs that just plain won't jive with the 433 layout, but would with an AR/416.
Time will tell if the juice is worth the squeeze. I think it's pretty badass that the 433 is SUPPOSED to change caliber all the way up to 308; may be HK will be the first to actually pull this off; the closest "success" I can think of to date would be the 21e/23e...
I like the non-reciprocating charging handle a LOT. It doesn't take much to get used to it. Once you do you'll wonder why it took so long.
# 1 Benefit is NOT having to take your eyes off the target through the scope or sights .
# 2 is IF something goes wrong with the piston or the gas , no problem , just run it like a bolt gun .
It really does make it a lot easier to charge.
Question . Is HK or any other manufacturers going to start Nitriding barrels and other parts that make sense for the military ?
Here's my little rifle with the Ambi charging handel .
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I think some here misunderstood the 'multi-caliber' part a bit.
HK didn't specifically say that the 433 is 'multi-caliber' in the sense that you can convert a 556 version into a .308, but more like it is AVAILABLE in various different calibers. Like Jim pointed out, it doesn't have quick-changed barrel.
Last edited by MP5_smg; 02-05-2017 at 02:24 AM.
Quick question. Has anybody found out or heard if the HK433 uses the gas piston (with the rings nipple) and the gas block of the g36 HK416/417??????
Please say its so because in my opinion it is the best gas piston design ever.
The frost sometimes makes the blade stick!!!! I miss G3Kurz..