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    I think the G3 was outstanding once you shorten the stock that has inches length of pull (more than the M-16A2) and add optics. It keeps pace with any 308 battle rifle to date.

    What I believe the strengths in the HK33or RDB system in 5.56 is that the short versions are more reliable than the short AR-15’s. The short AR-15’s do not do well.

    I think what would be ideal for the HK33 is the 300 blk HK53

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    Man, Larry Vickers has lost some weight. Good for him. I was sad to hear his take on the 5.56 HK roller lock guns. He's probably right though. I also agree the roller lock platforms time has passed but as a civilian, i still enjoy them.

    Its interesting to note that he is firing the gun right handed. Im almost positive he is left handed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chipw View Post

    Its interesting to note that he is firing the gun right handed. Im almost positive he is left handed.
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    He's right-handed, left-eye dominant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slytiger View Post
    The short AR-15’s do not do well.
    In what context?

    < 10.5" ...yeah that's probably true unless it's 300BO
    10.5"...arguable unless you want to talk about suppression
    > 10.5"...no, sir I will take a good 11.5 or 12.5" DI everyday and twice on Sundays
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    The OP was really asking about the lack of enthusiasm for the 33 as it compared to the G3 and MP5 platforms. While the reliability of the roller locked system is not the issue for low sales exactly, the reliability is a distant factor compared to the cost and weight of the 33 compared to other arms on the market.

    Getting a little off topic about the M4, If you keep the M4 lubricated, use only milspec ball ammo (M855 & M193), use magazines in good condition, and fire it on semi auto it works very well. But as soon as you try to push it outside those limits such as extreme firing conditions and extensive full auto fire, as well as running it with little or no lube you will have problems. In addition trying to issue versions with shorter than 14.5 inch barrels and suppressed fire are also big problem areas with the as issued M4. The design is a carbine modification of the 20 inch barreled AR 15/M 16 weapon system. The M4 is pushing that design as far as it can go and still have an acceptable degree of service life and reliability. Any requirements beyond that design envelope will require a redesign or a new weapon.

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    I'll just come out and say it... in 5.56, the AR pattern just plain beats the HK roller lock in every way possible.

    That's why the HK 33 never took off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chango View Post
    I'll just come out and say it... in 5.56, the AR pattern just plain beats the HK roller lock in every way possible.

    That's why the HK 33 never took off.
    Meh. I’d take the reliability of a 90’s era HK53 over any sub 10” AR platform from the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SudS View Post
    Meh. I’d take the reliability of a 90’s era HK53 over any sub 10” AR platform from the same time.
    ...and I'd take a 33K over a 53 and a G3K over a 33K.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dms16 View Post
    ...and I'd take a 33K over a 53 and a G3K over a 33K.
    I have all of those (53, 33k x 2, G3k), and with regard to pleasure shooting, I agree with the 33k over the 53. G3k is a fantastic piece, but there are some trade offs. If it were to come down to shooting bad guys, it really depends on the mission. How it’s going to be used? But, I would pick my G3k over my Property marked M16-A1 with 14.5” SOCOM upper...depending on mission. Pleasure shooting, outside would be G3k, inside would be M16.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dms16 View Post
    He's right-handed, left-eye dominant.
    Right. But doesnt he usually shoot long guns left handed?

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