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    Default Bundeswehr G36 Replacement Less Likely to go HK

    Looks like Haenel has a leg up on H&K. We might not ever see the H&K 433.
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    If this happens, HK is done, this time forever. Can't say I would not like this, my collection would be worth a lot more.

    The fact that Haenel is owned by a company in the UAE shows once more why Germany should be nuked.

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    The C.G. Haenel GmbH, which today belongs to the Merkel Group, which is again owned by the Arab arms manufacturer Caracal International based in Abu Dhabi (United Arab Emirates)............. Seems pretty stupid

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    https://www.schwarzwaelder-bote.de/i...5256b5c74.html
    Bad news for HK. The 433 was not selected for the replacement rifle for the G36 by the Bundeswehr. The offering from Haenel was selected. Shocking news. Open in Google Chrome and use Google Translate to read in English.
    Oberndorf / Berlin - The week couldn't start any worse for the Swabian arms manufacturer Heckler & Koch (HK). The following message made the rounds on Monday evening: The Ministry of Defense wants to purchase the Bundeswehr's new assault rifle from the Thuringian manufacturer CG Haenel (Suhl). The shock among those responsible for HK and within the workforce at the headquarters in Oberndorf ( Rottweil district ) must have been more than great.
    No, not HK, the long-established company that has been supplying its first assault rifles to the German armed forces since 1959 - the G3 at the time - received the coveted 250 million order. The Thuringian gunsmith CG Haenel - a new traditional factory in Suhl and started the race as a minor outsider - is now to deliver the new assault rifle. After the bidding process started in 2017, the heads of the Ministry of Defense informed politicians from the ranks of the grand coalition on Monday about the results of tests and test series that were carried out under the leadership of the Procurement Office (BAAINBw).
    The interaction of weight, barrel length, ammunition and target performance is complex
    In the 1990s, HK was awarded the contract for the successor to the G3, the G36. There had been a lot of fuss about this assault rifle in the past few years, which revolved around accuracy under extreme conditions - high-intensity fire fighting with long firing sequences or climatic peaks. The then Defense Minister Ursula von der Leyen announced in 2015 "that the G36, as it is constructed today, has no future in the Bundeswehr". The manufacturer and the ministry had already suffered a few wounds. Operational soldiers gave the rifle good marks.
    See also: Nazi shadows on Heckler & Koch
    But the nerves were also open in the bidding process. Last year, HK criticized the ministry in what was perceived to be an unusual step in the middle of the ongoing award process and, in a letter to von der Leyen, demanded a decision on a larger caliber. It was also criticized that there was no fair and competent selection for the G36 successor model.
    The interaction of weight, barrel length, ammunition and target performance is technically complex with weapons. The caliber of the ammunition determines the penetration power, but also limits how many shots can be carried by the man - because of the weight.
    Haenel's weapon proves to be technically better
    Only the caliber of the weapon is not specified in the tender, but a weight. The Bundeswehr also called for a rifle that is suitable for all climates. In terms of firepower, it must be able to hold the enemy down temporarily, i.e. force them into cover. In such a situation, precision can take a back seat to firepower. The target has to be hit again soon after, with a high probability. This is a prerequisite for not unintentionally meeting bystanders and civilians.
    It has now been a good two weeks since HK CEO Jens Bodo Koch was still optimistic: "Heckler & Koch is again a successful and profitable company." The mood in Oberndorf was good, the weapons manufacturer was able to present its new majority shareholder - the Luxembourg financial holding CDE - at its general meeting at the end of August, and to reposition itself. According to a HK press release, profit after taxes rose from 0.4 million euros in the first half of 2019 to 7.6 million euros in the first half of 2020. There was talk of a departure into quieter and better times.
    Now the bang: The Haenel weapon has - so it is said on Monday - proved to be technically somewhat better in the tests, and is also "more economical" in the range. Haenel is already supplying the Bundeswehr with a sniper rifle. The company belongs to the Merkel Group, which is part of the Tawazun Holding (United Arab Emirates). Obviously, the fact that today's company could be dependent on Arab money didn't bother. In 2008, CG Haenel resumed operations as a start-up. The former founder and namesake Carl Gottlieb Haenel established industrial weapons production in Suhl from 1840 onwards.
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    A third bidder - Sig Sauer (Eckernförde) - had withdrawn from the current tender. Sig Sauer complained about unequal treatment and also stated this due to the limited access to test ammunition, which HK had at its disposal because of other supply relationships and could benefit from it.
    The arms manufacturer from the Rottweil district actually saw itself at an advantage with the current order situation: One example is the successful US business, which now accounts for a quarter of total sales. The US Army has ordered 6,000 precision rifles from HK. Long and short guns for armed forces, for example in Norway, Great Britain or Lithuania, follow. They are also proud to have equipped the Japanese police with 2000 pistols of the successful SFP9 model - these are to be used specifically to secure the Summer Olympics in the coming year.
    With machine guns, grenade launchers and modernized G36 rifles, the Swabian company will continue to do business with foreign armed forces and especially the German armed forces, but HK will no longer get a chance with the new model, of all things, in Oberndorf's favorite discipline, the assault rifle.
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    BREAKING: C.G. Haenel MK556 Wins German Army Tender To Replace G36

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    Quote Originally Posted by SwissCollector View Post
    If this happens, HK is done, this time forever. Can't say I would not like this, my collection would be worth a lot more.

    The fact that Haenel is owned by a company in the UAE shows once more why Germany should be nuked.
    That's just a silly assertion. If they only made one product, and it was the rifle that was not selected by one Army, you might have a point. Anyone else in the free world is able to purchase if they want it. HK is not a one note Sally.
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    I hope the 433 has a future. I don't see what another AR-15 brings that the 433 doesn't. Then again, conspiracy theorist will say that the Germans did this to save face at the Gov't level because of their own part in the G36 debacle.

    Of course, the TFB article does say that this is still subject to appeal and Gov't review. And I wouldn't be surprised if Haenel has issues in the long run supplying 120K rifles to the Germans in fairly short order.
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    Hopefully they'll have some manufacturing capacity to make some guns for us. We'd buy more than the german army anyway.
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    This is def not what I wanted to read, and yet another AR-15 finds use. I guess at least there's the FN SCAR, CZ Bren 2, IWI Carmel and Beretta ARX-160 as AK or AR alternatives...

    I don't know if HK would bother to do much with the 433 now, given that the German Army (or, rather, German Gov't pencil pushers) don't want it. It's possibly better than the FN SCAR and such in a few ways, but we'll likely never know for sure now. Besides, HK will probably get more orders for 416s since the drawbacks of the AR platform (lack of a folding stock) doesn't seem to be a huge drawback for most buyers.
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