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MR556A3 coming soon?

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#1 ·
I read earlier this week HK is not getting any more MR556A1 and heard today the same. Seems HK will be importing the A3 sometime Q1 2017. Anyone else heard the same rumor?
 
#58 ·
Re: EU Commission and the poorly disguised French attempt at disarming an increasingly disgruntled population; At least the gun-friendly Czech delegation is taking over the presidency from the Dutch for the next bit.
The Czech delegates were unanimous in rejecting the current proposal.

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#59 · (Edited)
Actually current EU Presidency is Slovakia, not Czechia (CZ decided for new English name - Czechia). Only 2 countries who voted in EU Council against even softened project were Czechia and Poland.

Luxembourg voted against it, because it wanted complete gun confiscation.

Slovakia voted in favour of proposed project.

So we have 3 versions: Commission project (original, with semi-auto ban and confiscation), Council changes (with magazine capacity restrictions and magazines ownership restrictions) and Parliament changes (with similar restrictions as Council project, but different in details). What we can get after Trilogue is probably worst of all 3 versions.

BTT I'm sure MR556A3 and MR762A3 (or equivalent) will come to US market soon. New HK sales strategy puts much more emphasis on civilian market and especially on biggest civilian market USA. They are revisiting also several project that a lot of people thought dead long ago. No guarantees those projects will be revived (economical analysis may prevent this), but they at least are giving them new thought.
 
#61 · (Edited)
HK has timed this all wrong. Essentially not taking orders on the MR556 until 2017 is a missed opportunity to sell guns at a time where Hi-Cap mags and AR firearms/parts are selling out due to the political climate. Clinton seems to be gaining poll lead over Trump and Pennsylvania seems to be leaning towards a Democrat in office. Un-F*ingbelievable. Is HK not aware of the increased demand over the last few weeks? They should be changing their production stream and capitalizing on the increase demand.
 
#62 · (Edited)
Why gear up for something they may loose? With the political climate you just mentioned, production and import logistics may not produce a reasonable ROI. If they were ready for this 2 years ago, perhaps.

It may just make more business sense for HK to produce and market the 10 rounders, i.e. P30sk and the VP9sk. Those should be safe from political fallout for at least one or two administrations.


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#71 ·
Whatever HK will import, I will pick one up. I definitely like the A3 improvements over the A1 regardless of a chrome barrel, but would like an adjustable gas system as the MR556 would be an excellent platform to suppress. Especially with a B&T Rotex V compact suppressor. Seems I'll be able to get the can first before a MR556, but I've already made up my mind I will wait for the A3 given that HK is not importing any more MR556 until 2017 or taking new orders at this time. I don't want to pay a premium for a rifle that's already over priced as is.
 
#72 ·
an A3 in SBR configuration is really THE all-around AR worth having. right ergonomics, heavy metal in the barrel department and slick iron sights. Also, it is considerably easier to clean compared to DI's: suppressed and non-suppressed alike. For sure there are other piston AR's around, but HK has a track record which cannot be matched.
 
#83 · (Edited)
That's why I own 4 of them;-)

Well for that and because I wanted one of everything length (416 10.4", 416 14.5", MR556 16" and 416 20"). 4 great tastes that taste great together!

If I could only obtain the M27 16.6" made of unobtainium, or at least at a price I'm willing to pay and without risk of it being a stolen Military barrel/upper. ;-)
 
#76 ·
My main match rifle (DMR competition) is a DI AR.

I do like the .5MOA accuracy and the ability to rebarrel it whenever I want, since I go through about 4K a year. The gun has about 30K through it on six barrels, three gas blocks and four gas tubes.

It's still shooting great, but it's definitely getting tired, the lower is somehow tweaked and is hard to put together or dissassemble so I'm starting to look around.

I wish HK made an 18" barrel, accuracy focused DMR version of the MR556. I'd love to try that, but for now I have an MR556 upper inbound.

Nobody with the budget seems to walk past the HK for direct impingement. The gun is on a winning streak.
 
#78 ·
Turning a barrel isn't rocket science at all. It would be easy for any CNC shop to turn a blank to HK specs.

I wonder why nobody's doing that now?

It would allow us to experiment with other twist rates, other lengths, as well as preserve the original barrel if you chose to.
 
#86 · (Edited)
By that logic, why not a 14.5?

The guns it's competing against are hitting accuracy nodes typically from 2700-2800fps with heavy bullets.

My MR556 is throwing Hornady 75's at 2646.

The course of fire routinely demands shots on head sized targets out to 700Y, and every advantage on beating the wind is welcome. If they offered a 20" I'd take that.

ETA - If you meant this to be toward actual/field use, I would agree, but I'm speaking strictly competition.

The gun is definitely a shooter. This was at 200Y. The squares are 1".

https://i.imgur.com/EGDPXuE.jpg

I'm competing with it this Sunday because my regular rifle is down for the count.
 
#87 ·
By that logic, why not a 14.5?

The guns it's competing against are hitting accuracy nodes typically from 2700-2800fps with heavy bullets.

My MR556 is throwing Hornady 75's at 2646.

The course of fire routinely demands shots on head sized targets out to 700Y, and every advantage on beating the wind is welcome. If they offered a 20" I'd take that.

The gun is definitely a shooter. This was at 200Y. The squares are 1".

https://i.imgur.com/EGDPXuE.jpg

I'm competing with it this Sunday because my regular rifle is down for the count.
The problem is, if the MR556 came in 14.5, it would need to have a permanently attached muzzle device. to make an OAL of at least 16"
 
#91 · (Edited)
The MR223 is already approved by the German .gov for civilian sales, so German export isn't a problem.
AR style "pistols" are already ATF approved, as well as "pistols" from Poland, Romania, Turkey, and Switzerland. And IIRC SCARS are made in Belgium and de-sporterized here. So US import isn't a problem either.
A combination of the two, maybe, but I'm of the opinion that there is no reason why HK couldn't import a 10" or 14.5 "pistol" from Germany.
I wouldn't think that a "pistol" version of the MR223 would cause problems, but then again, maybe.
 
#94 · (Edited)
Why is importation still a topic of debate? HK won't import the 223A3 14.5" or 11" or 416A5 for that matter (iMHO).

It's not our decision but theirs and I'm sure they have their reasons.

If you would personally like a say in the company then buy it or go become one of their executives, just please stop this constant whine about getting our personal wish lists imported.

If we get the 223/556A3 they won't be imports but domestic production (IMHO and experience). The bit€h1ng isn't gonna make a damn bit of difference, but it will annoy the crap out of everyone including those at HK that you wish to influence.

Sorry for the mini rant, but the BS is getting too deep and the wreak too strong for me on this subject. If it's not the MP5 or the 223A3 it will eventually be the 433 as it will always be something. So save the wasted energy. HK is like any other corporation, they do what THEY think is best for them and their bottom line.

I'm not going to pretend that I have any idea of their plans, nor do I care. My life doesn't center around having my favorite firearms always available to me. I make do with what life presents, like lemonade out of lemons.

I like this place, A LOT. But the din of this whine is becoming overwhelming to the point of morphing into a cacophony.

Perhaps we need a cheese section to go with all these whines;-)

I'm going back to my scotch now (queue dropped microphone).


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#99 ·
Why is importation still a topic of debate? HK won't import the 223A3 14.5" or 11" or 415A5 for that matter (iMHO).

It's not our decision but theirs and I'm sure they have their reasons.

If you would personally like a say in the company then buy it or go become one of their executives, just please stop this constant whine about getting our personal wish lists imported.

If we get the 223/556A3 they won't be imports but domestic production (IMHO and experience). The bit€h1ng isn't gonna make a damn bit of difference, but it will annoy the crap out of everyone including those at HK that you wish to influence.

Sorry for the mini rant, but the BS is getting too deep and the wreak too strong for me on this subject. If it's not the MP5 or the 223A3 it will eventually be the 433 as it will always be something. So save the wasted energy. HK is like any other corporation, they do what THEY think is best for them and their bottom line.

I'm not going to pretend that I have any idea of their plans, nor do I care. My life doesn't center around having my favorite firearms always available to me. I make do with what life presents, like lemonade out of lemons.

I like this place, A LOT. But the din of this whine is becoming overwhelming to the point of morphing into a cacophony.

Perhaps we need a cheese section to go with all these whines;-)

I'm going back to my scotch now (queue dropped microphone).


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This^^^^^

I've been biting my tongue for quite a while, but frankly this site used to be tighter, and the endless meandering threads about unicorns used to get locked more frequently. At least that is how I remember it, but hey, I'm getting old and starting to sound like my dad and granddad more and more, you know, the good ole days.....
 
#97 ·
As far as I remember overall lenght can not exceed 60cm and barrel can not exceed 30cm. Same as in EU Directive.

11" MR223A3 is 71,1cm. Even w/o stock it will be longer than 60cm.
 
#98 ·
I can see how a 11" MR223 would be restricted under those regulations, but MP5 A1 (non-stock version) is overall length of 55cm and barrel is 22.5cm. I've been trying to find the exact German regulation that indicates the OAL and barrel length for a pistol classification without success. My guess is that the barrel must be under 17cm to be classified as a pistol, but if it is indeed 20cm, than semi-auto MP5 pistol is exportable.
 
#102 ·
Quote Originally Posted by willyandre View Post
Hilary vote, Trump vote, both will screw you out of HK rifles.
With Hilary they'll be banned because they look evil, with Trump you'll either see them banned because they're foreign or held back here in Europe because we'll need them ourselves when his bestie Putin comes rolling around. All of Europe is hoping for Hilary, because she's a hawk and will stick by the US's commitments to NATO. As the only nation to ever invoke article 5, it's the least you could do, but Trump says otherwise. Meanwhile, in Norway, I'm rather pleased with my MR308A3, and I'm selling off my AR-15 to get parts of the way to funding an MR223A3 as well :) Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk
This is about the most inaccurate thing I've ever heard on this entire forum. Hildabeast a Hawk? Laughable. This is the same pathetic leftist who left our own boys die in Benghazi. I spent two 6-month deployments flying up and down the Adriatic, and I know for a fact we could have gotten some airpower over our boys in time. We had fighters in Aviano, Brindisi, and Sigonella. Its only about a one hour flight from Sig to Ben, and I guarantee you one low pass at 500 kts and 500' over the heads of those ********, and they would have evaporated, even if the aircraft didn't have ordinance on board. Years ago in Tuzla, I did an air suppression missions for the Brits who were taking sniper fire from the woods across the river...one low pass in full blower and they stopped for a least a day, out of fear of the almighty Mk 82. So Hildabeast could have helped, but instead she chose to lie because she didn't want to admit she had another successful terrorist attack her watch. In Bagdad, she flew in once to pad her resume....first thing she did was complain about our phalanx guns we had mounted to shoot down enemy rockets. She said "the guns send the wrong message." So, we were ordered to remove them, and soon after the rocket attacks resumed, killing at least one guy that I know of. And don't forget, she sold out her own country, using the DOS to approve the sale of 20% of America's uranium to the Russians, while her husband was getting quarter million dollar kickbacks for "speaking engagements." If you think she would have NATO's back, you are obscenely mistaken. As for Europeans liking Hilda, my wife is Danish...born and raised. We were married in Helsingor even. She's lived in both places, and having seen both, she's grown to despise the slavery of European socialism where you work for the government half of your life in return for "free" beads and shiny things. She says of course the Europeans love Hilda...why wouldn't they? They like anyone who will sell America out to their globalist agenda. They don't like Trump because they know he wants to make Europe start carrying their weight. Europe has been living for free under the gracious protection of the United States since World War II. Its about time they start paying for it...and they need to get their hands dirty too. Concerning your comment "the least we could do", I think America paid its dues a long time ago helping liberate Europe and Norway from the Nazis. America's contribution is often trivialized these days by Europeans, but I would remind you that by the end of WWII, over half of everything produced on the planet was made in the USA.

Look, I love Norway. I've served with the Norwegian military. I learned to cross country ski with the Norwegians in Bodo. Norway pays the highest amount on defense per capita in NATO (they are the richest nation in Europe thanks to North Sea oil). But they still only spend about 1.5% of their GDP on their military, while the US spends over twice that, at 3.3% of GDP. Americans are sick of carrying most of the burden, and sick of having to do nearly all the wet work while Europe does mostly nothing except criticize the very people which allows them to live securely. Rant over. Out.



Thank you for clearing that up!

Having spent some time in the Med I have to agree completely that Sig is way close enough to have supported our boys in a timely manner. It just didn't fit their agenda that all was well in the middle east. You can't have stuff like that happening 60 days before an election now can you? HiLIARy. She got her just reward. And she still doesn't get it. I'm hoping someone is sewing a right-proper orange jumpsuit for her about now, because her days of violating our regulations does carry ramifications. I still can't believe she had a SCIF in her basement!

dan
 
#103 ·
Quote Originally Posted by willyandre View Post
Hilary vote, Trump vote, both will screw you out of HK rifles.
With Hilary they'll be banned because they look evil, with Trump you'll either see them banned because they're foreign or held back here in Europe because we'll need them ourselves when his bestie Putin comes rolling around.
That post lost all credibility after this. LMMFAO.
 
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