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    Quote Originally Posted by Leperchuan0311 View Post
    i remember when the m249 was first introduced and the pain it was to keep going some of us had access to the old m16a1 and liked it better it seems things are moving full circle.
    but we also had the m60 and m60e2 the m240 is a much better platform too
    i am in favor of the m27 for general issue but maybe as a 3 shot burst option still
    the M4 does pretty well for your average Marine. Light, fast, and accurate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweersa View Post
    Keep up the good work, and thank you for your service!
    it's my pleasure to serve brother!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nunez2196 View Post
    the M4 does pretty well for your average Marine. Light, fast, and accurate.
    when i was in ( ages ago ) they where just issuing the m16a2 the m4 wasn't even out yet . keep it up and be safe brother keep your head down spent time in 1/9 in the late 80s and before that fast company in nj

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    Quote Originally Posted by leicar7 View Post
    Interesting they seem to be happy enough with the 5.56 mm after quite a bit of smoke about an 'intermediate caliber' with better range and ke. G3 Kurz wrote an essay on the "Future of the Military Assault Rifle," wherein he discussed this issue in depth and remarked on new technologies, to include new cartridge technologies.
    Contractually it is impossible for the USMC to buy the HK416 IAR variant as a new service rifle off the IAR contract. They will have to compete it, allow other vendors to provide something comparable. Then the HK416 would have to win again against all competitors, and survive the politics. A newer HK IAR would benefit from the lessons learned and new features in HK416 variants like the A5 and F model. Lighter rail system, better trigger, etc.

    As for the caliber piece, the USMC said in public April this year that their next service rifle would not be an M4 and would not be in caliber 5.56mm. This a case could be made for an IAR-style service rifle in a superior caliber, one that extended the MER by another 200+ meters. The 6.5mm caliber is getting A LOT of attn in the DoD and SOF community and projects have been launched this month for purpose-built rifles in the same size and weight class as the M4 firing 6.5mm cartridges assembled in lightweight polymer cases. I predict in 2017 6.5mm ammo and rifles will be fielded in limited numbers as a start.

    The US Army Small Arms Ammunition Configuration (SAAC) Study will be completed soon. It will help to select the next caliber and cartridge for future rifles and LMG's. All the latest studies in the US, Canada and UK point towards 6.5mm and other countries would like to replace 5.56 as well.

    It also does not hurt that retired USMC GEN Mattis - currently reported as the leading candidate for Sec Def under POTUS Trump, once wrote an email to his Marine Corps generals that he thought it was time the Marine increased the caliber of their service rifle (after visiting with a marine Infantry officer in Bethesda who was wounded by an insurgent who took multiple hits with 5.56mm and kept on coming.) The Marines even conducted an assessment on various intermediate calibers showing each outperformed 5.56mm. Apply their MK318 SOST bullet to a 6.5x48mm polymer-cased round and you have a cartridge that outperforms 7.62mm NATO in a platform very close to the form factor of a 5.56mm M4.

    The history of US military small arms are always directly linked to the VIP decision makers. With Trump promising to focus on the military and intelligence community (and look at his first few selections) to go after ISIS you need the best equipped ground forces to get this done. The AR-15/M16 and .223/5.56mm round were only adopted because the Sec Def then and even the POTUS weighed in.

    It will be interesting times for sure during these next 4 years.

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    Thanks for the incredible pics, and for your service to our country!!!

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    Something like this would be great!



    (Perhaps in the 6.5mm if they go that route)
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    What's the difference between an M27 and a G38?
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    Quote Originally Posted by G3Kurz View Post
    Contractually it is impossible for the USMC to buy the HK416 IAR variant as a new service rifle off the IAR contract. They will have to compete it, allow other vendors to provide something comparable. Then the HK416 would have to win again against all competitors, and survive the politics. A newer HK IAR would benefit from the lessons learned and new features in HK416 variants like the A5 and F model. Lighter rail system, better trigger, etc.

    As for the caliber piece, the USMC said in public April this year that their next service rifle would not be an M4 and would not be in caliber 5.56mm. This a case could be made for an IAR-style service rifle in a superior caliber, one that extended the MER by another 200+ meters. The 6.5mm caliber is getting A LOT of attn in the DoD and SOF community and projects have been launched this month for purpose-built rifles in the same size and weight class as the M4 firing 6.5mm cartridges assembled in lightweight polymer cases. I predict in 2017 6.5mm ammo and rifles will be fielded in limited numbers as a start.

    The US Army Small Arms Ammunition Configuration (SAAC) Study will be completed soon. It will help to select the next caliber and cartridge for future rifles and LMG's. All the latest studies in the US, Canada and UK point towards 6.5mm and other countries would like to replace 5.56 as well.

    It also does not hurt that retired USMC GEN Mattis - currently reported as the leading candidate for Sec Def under POTUS Trump, once wrote an email to his Marine Corps generals that he thought it was time the Marine increased the caliber of their service rifle (after visiting with a marine Infantry officer in Bethesda who was wounded by an insurgent who took multiple hits with 5.56mm and kept on coming.) The Marines even conducted an assessment on various intermediate calibers showing each outperformed 5.56mm. Apply their MK318 SOST bullet to a 6.5x48mm polymer-cased round and you have a cartridge that outperforms 7.62mm NATO in a platform very close to the form factor of a 5.56mm M4.

    The history of US military small arms are always directly linked to the VIP decision makers. With Trump promising to focus on the military and intelligence community (and look at his first few selections) to go after ISIS you need the best equipped ground forces to get this done. The AR-15/M16 and .223/5.56mm round were only adopted because the Sec Def then and even the POTUS weighed in.

    It will be interesting times for sure during these next 4 years.

    G3Kurz
    .264 USA seems promising although I've heard there are issues with it functioning is gas operated rifles less than 18" in barrel length.

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    Not true.
    It was developed for 16.5" barrels and no issues there.
    It has also been fired in 11.5 and 14.5 inch barrels.
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    Can anyone call BS on the $3000?

    Last I heard, LE pricing was around $1600, but that may not be true anymore.

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