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    So...I have a non-HK lower on a form 1 and I have been looking for an appropriate piston upper to mate with it. As Im a huge HK fan ----and I've shot one as a work gun--I decided that I would try an HK 416 upper-then I started shopping for one...all of the ones Ive seen on gunbroker are waaaay pricey and of dubious origin. Unknown round count LEO turn in, or some which I have seen called out on the forum as fakes, etc. Either way I was wondering if there is an eisier way. Getting an MR556 upper and re-profiling and shortening..? Either way I cannot find hardly any HK uppers for sale at anywhere approaching a sane price. Is this normal or am I looking in all the wring places and not considering better options?

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    Sir I have both. The HK556 upper is in peaces . I have 80 percent of it. Send me your cell number I will send pix

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    Get a 416 upper. If you can't afford the BA, BB, BE date coded vented gas block uppers....then go with an AH, AI, or AF date coded uppers. Prices have come down since the election. If you want any, let me know.....I've got a few. :-)

    PS You won't regret it, and if you decide after shooting a while, that you want to sell it....you'll get your money back out of it. Sell your MR upper, and put it toward a 416. Trust me on this.
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    To be honest, I don't see the value of a real 416 upper over a modified MR556 upper. Is there any practical difference other than the chrome lined barrel? You can always have the MR barrel melonited or otherwise treated. What else does a 416 upper bring to command the high price, other than bragging rights?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwillHK View Post
    To be honest, I don't see the value of a real 416 upper over a modified MR556 upper. Is there any practical difference other than the chrome lined barrel? You can always have the MR barrel melonited or otherwise treated. What else does a 416 upper bring to command the high price, other than bragging rights?
    It's quite subjective. Some just want as close to the real deal as possible. Some see it as an investment. Some see it as a relative waste of money

    I've toyed with the idea of an HK416 upper vs. modified MR556A1 a la IGF. I'll probably still go with an HK416 upper because I am one of those guys who needs a little piece of that 'authenticity'. I could care less about bragging rights. I buy firearms for myself, not to impress others. YMMV

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    I have three 416 uppers; 10.4", 14.5" and 20". I have a fourth but it's a bastardized version, a US made upper with a real 10.4" 416 barrel.

    The first three all sit atop MR556 lowers. I bought them all because I wanted all 3 lenghts of the 416.

    At one point I also owned a Never Fired Outside Factory AK 10.4" upper, which I sold a year after purchase at the same price I purchased. I sold because I decided I only wanted shooters in my safe, no more safe queens.

    I must admit that I wish I had kept one of my MR556 uppers.

    Primarily, I say this because you never know the barrel life on the used uppers. I'm sure you can pay someone a fair few dollars to measure the throat and muzzle landes/grooves for you, but by then you've already bought it.

    I purchased mine knowing this risk. But so far I have over 5000 rounds through my primary rifle, thh 10.4" with no known accuracy issues. But I also don't shoot the shorty for marksmanship (but it shoots 1 MOA at 100 yards and easily hits steel plates at 300 yards with my Elcan), that's what the 20" is for and I don't shoot it too often (bought barrel new).

    In the end, my advice would be start with re-profiling the MR556 barrel unless you are really looking to "recreate" a 416. There are several outfits who do good work reprrofiling. If that's your direction, investigate them all. ChopstixKid has a thread on re-profiling.

    Good luck and let us know what you choose.
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    I have unfired 416 10.4" upper which will likely remain so. I had a MR556 upper re-profiled by Jayson at IGF and was very pleased with his work. I would suggest you start with an MR upper and send it to IGF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cjude View Post
    So...I have a non-HK lower on a form 1 and I have been looking for an appropriate piston upper to mate with it. As Im a huge HK fan ----and I've shot one as a work gun--I decided that I would try an HK 416 upper-then I started shopping for one...all of the ones Ive seen on gunbroker are waaaay pricey and of dubious origin. Unknown round count LEO turn in, or some which I have seen called out on the forum as fakes, etc. Either way I was wondering if there is an eisier way. Getting an MR556 upper and re-profiling and shortening..? Either way I cannot find hardly any HK uppers for sale at anywhere approaching a sane price. Is this normal or am I looking in all the wring places and not considering better options?
    Given what the market/availability for true 416 uppers had done compared to the upswing in the tech of the rest of the market, it's not a proportionately "good" buy from a $/performance standpoint. If you want to get into the weeds with investment speculation, I won't help you there. Mind you, we don't know what's cooking for the future with the HK US site, and now I see there's some pending legislation that might make ripples (if you're one to put stock into stuff like that).

    FWIW, I know of at least one retired army guy with time on the 416 from both Delta and AWG (before they got their 416's taken away) that considers his MR556 (yeah, just a meager MR556 chop job) to be his end-of-days gun if that tells you anything.

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    Look....everyone will have an "opinion" on this, some say it's not worth it, and a lot say this because it's not within their $$, and some just because they think it's just not worth it. With that said, I have bought and sold so many 416 uppers, that I've lost count. I have never, and not even in this downturn climate, lost money on reselling....even after I've shot them, which is why I usually buy them.

    Secondly, it's fairly easy to determine if they've been shot out, or if they've only had a couple hundred rounds put through it. So, if you want to send off your MR556 to Jayson for re-profiling, by all means...have at it. Jayson does exceptional work, and does all of my MP5 stuff, unless I go to RDTS for a "special project".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brad4065 View Post
    Look....everyone will have an "opinion" on this, some say it's not worth it, and a lot say this because it's not within their $$, and some just because they think it's just not worth it. With that said, I have bought and sold so many 416 uppers, that I've lost count. I have never, and not even in this downturn climate, lost money on reselling....even after I've shot them, which is why I usually buy them.

    Secondly, it's fairly easy to determine if they've been shot out, or if they've only had a couple hundred rounds put through it. So, if you want to send off your MR556 to Jayson for re-profiling, by all means...have at it. Jayson does exceptional work, and does all of my MP5 stuff, unless I go to RDTS for a "special project".
    Brad, you ever loose money on a real 416 upper? I know I haven't.. Buy it, shoot it, hold onto it, sell it, keep it, unless you purchased right before the elections (which was a gamble and you knew it) They hold their value or increase over time, especially during panic/election buying. If I am going to buy (especially right now with some 416 prices at a 5 year low, I am buying the real thing for the Chrome Lined Bore alone. When the MIL starts using Melonite/SBN/FNC or some other barrel treatment, I might consider it then.. Call me crazy, I'll keep shooting CL Bores and you can buy all the Nitrated/Melonite/FNC and other bbl treatments you like..

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