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    Quote Originally Posted by Nzfly View Post
    If they did, and they are reading pro, then THEY NEED TO DO THEM THE RIGHT WAY THIS TIME.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MSOGDAWG View Post
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    I would bet dollars to donuts they asked PWS to mill them, and PWS simply used their existing CAM with minor tweaks instead of redoing all of it to mirror the HK profiles.
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    They certainly seemed to half @SS it in a few areas

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    Quote Originally Posted by aksog View Post
    They certainly seemed to half @SS it in a few areas
    My gripe was more centered on the fact they ruined the remaining factory forgings creating something that wasn't correct. The effort involved in getting it correct was minimal, yet they proceeded anyway. Now, if they did in fact sell all they made, then all I have is a complaint vs their business sense.

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    What did brownells do incorrectly to the forgings?

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    ^^^^ @Nzfly you still have the comparison photos? I cant seem to find the thread you put them in.

    It was IIRC a beveled edge,
    Trigger area milled to normal AR contour,
    A machined "U" on the front of the magwell between the take down pin collars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nzfly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MSOGDAWG View Post
    +100^^^^
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    It is the little things that kill ya or "it" in this case
    I would bet dollars to donuts they asked PWS to mill them, and PWS simply used their existing CAM with minor tweaks instead of redoing all of it to mirror the HK profiles.
    I agree. It was a good collaboration that could have been better. Call it the wrong execution of the right idea. I do have three BRN4s and they scratch an itch but I do believe I will at some point remark an MR lower.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSOGDAWG View Post
    ^^^^ @Nzfly you still have the comparison photos? I cant seem to find the thread you put them in.

    It was IIRC a beveled edge,
    Trigger area milled to normal AR contour,
    A machined "U" on the front of the magwell between the take down pin collars.
    Yeah, it is in whatever that long thread was. I think you hit all of the points. There was a chamfer to the left of the bolt release tab that shouldn’t have been there but is standard on PWS’ millings (what you called the beveled edge). The “ears” on the trigger guard were wrong. Some had that U shape on the front, others didn’t. On most all US imported 416’s the front forging seam was still present. The PWS maker information could have been more discreet than covering the front. They shouldn’t have put full auto markings on them; many people wouldn’t want that kind of false advertising and those who would could easily add those markings.

    Just going from memory, was there something about the buffer retainer roll pin placement?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nzfly View Post
    Just going from memory, was there something about the buffer retainer roll pin placement?
    Yes, see here: https://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-heads-up/478320-brownells-416-kits-lowers-sale-11-12-a-post3453140.html
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    I can help with finding real ones should anyone have that itch;-)

    If I recall correctly, Brownells got something like 2200 forgings. It seems a bit excessive to believe they sold all of them. It is possible they didn’t machine them all. Based on the prices I saw, they paid in and around $60 per forging (probably got a bulk discount to some degree considering all the other parts they bought). Machining them was probably $20-$50 a pop. There would have been shipping, paperwork man hours, overhead, etc. But, that should give a reasonable picture of what their margins were.

    There is unlikely to be more as they were the squared magwell design and HK has since moved on to the A5 profile which has an angled magwell.
    I have an itch now do I want to pay 4K for one ... or just go different way and build 417 and hope someone makes barrel .... or just collect parts again and build one eventually. I just sold bunch of hk416 parts and now I am kicking my self. I can always get blank upper and get them engraved way I want along with lowers , or build 9mm Frankenstein lol


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