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    A midlife improvement to the USP pistol line would be a good thing. Starting with the rail is the obvious start. Grips would be next.
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    Quote Originally Posted by igs View Post
    HK used to be the leader of innovation.

    First polymer pistol with the VP70.
    First accessory rail on the USP.
    First replaceable backstrap on the P2000.
    First replaceable side panels on the P30.

    Now they are just following everyone else and the latest fads with the VP9.
    Walther had replaceable backstraps in '96.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelE View Post
    Walther had replaceable backstraps in '96.
    And I'll mention that 1911's and other antiques have had removeable "side panels" for a long time. Does changes in the mainspring housing geometry count as "backstraps" too?

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    Not to jump on the band wagon, but in general when I hear they were the leader in innovation I immediately think of "the French were the leader in firearm design and technology." Not so much anymore. I am excited for the first time in some time in regards to the HK booth at SHOT Show this year and hope to not be disappointed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dms16 View Post
    And I'll mention that 1911's and other antiques have had removeable "side panels" for a long time. Does changes in the mainspring housing geometry count as "backstraps" too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dms16 View Post
    And I'll mention that 1911's and other antiques have had removeable "side panels" for a long time. Does changes in the mainspring housing geometry count as "backstraps" too?
    this is true, however HK was first in the polymer frame market to have adjustable side panels..... I think that was what @igs was getting at....

    as for the initial post, HK generally announces new/improved products later in the year than SHOT..... that has been their track record for the past several years anyway......
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    As to those looking for HK to produce an "improved" USP, they already have.
    It's called the P2000 (USP Compact), P30 and L (USP), and HK45 and C (USP 45 and C).

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    The thread that never dies.

    I was a decade long "Glock Fanboy". When I look back at my actions I was just insufferable. When I started getting into HK firearms I was extremely frustrated with the lack of options and accessories. I never had to wait before. It took almost a year for a P30L to become available. I think I waited 9 months for a factory threaded barrel to reach my doorstep. I don't even want to disclose how I obtained red and white colored magazine followers. I bought some rare stuff on a whim off of an Instagram post. I just tried to purchased more 20rd P30 magazines and it looks like they are gone again.

    Whatever you can think of is a click away for Glock stuff. Now I have a box full of expensive useless accessories and parts. People build entire Glocks without using a single part made by Glock.

    HK is weird to me because it is almost like if you want it they will never make it but they have the bare minimum of what you need. HK has missed the boat on a ton of opportunities. I still will carry my Sig P365 every now and then when my P30sk is cumbersome.

    Years later this thread still has action should tell you a lot about how people feel about HK being slow to market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PC7 View Post
    As to those looking for HK to produce an "improved" USP, they already have.
    It's called the P2000 (USP Compact), P30 and L (USP), and HK45 and C (USP 45 and C).
    Exactly. Please leave the USP as is. Thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GraveDigger78 View Post
    HK is weird to me because it is almost like if you want it they will never make it but they have the bare minimum of what you need. HK has missed the boat on a ton of opportunities.
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