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    It's understandable to be frustrated with HK's not following industry trends to striker-fired, "low bore axis," ergonomic-adjustable grips, threaded barrel options, and compact-sub-compact options. Whether HK is outside of those trends for intentional design reasons, having insufficient capital, concentration on military and law enforcement markets or something else, I certainly don't know. But let me throw out a couple of things: First, having dug into the fire control systems of S&W, Glock, 1911 and HK, and having looked at the tear down of the Sig 320, I'm impressed with the robust design of HKs and 1911s and with the mechanical quality of the HK parts I've seen compared to others. Glocks, S&Ws, the newer Sigs and PPQs work and are clever industrial designs, but rely heavily on stamped parts and loose tolerances rather than innovation or better design. Think of the number of high-end brands and the number of high-accuracy and/or competition specialist guns that rely on the Browning's design from a century ago. For HK fans, remember also that the USP design was started in 1989. The Mark 23 was scaled up from that and everything developed after that is a derivation of the USP design. It must have been pretty good because people on this forum comment regularly how the out-of-the-box USP trigger is better than the newer configurations.

    That leads to the second and bigger thing, which is that we haven't seen real innovation in handguns in a long time. Striker fired is older than the Borchardt. Browning had his own patents on striker before 1900. Other than the P7, and the Walther CCP, (gas delayed blow-back also having been innovated by Browning) when have you seen a really new design in handguns? The new Hudson H9 shows a long overdue promise, but still depends on the Browning tilt-barrel locking block. Clever, promising, thoughtful, a hopeful entrepreneurial effort, but not fundamentally innovative.

    Frustrating? Sure. Is it more frustrating that HK isn't following striker-color-coded-plastic-ergo-grip trends, or that HK might sacrifice real engineering robustness for trendiness, or that there is no really serious innovation going on anywhere right now?

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    I'm no HK fanboy either but I appreciate that they take their time developing the correct concepts. They are the Rolex of the gun world- not the "best" but great nonetheless and worthy of my trusting my life to HK. Whether they don't "innovate" enough for those who want the next great fly by night system that no one will care about in 3 years, I'm all good with it. Carry what you want but please no complaining. All brands have something good to offer (well, except Glock J/J) ;)


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    HK doesnt play the Show debut game. Let HK USA do their thing and stay in business, plenty of companies bring new products to market every 6-12 months to stay relevant, often these don't work, cough...Remington....cough cough. HK is different, they don't follow every trend that keeps the couch warriors amused, and after 50 years people are still clamoring for an MP5, which is awesome. If constant gratification is your thing, there are plenty of other companies who will take your money. Me, I still can't afford all the HK's I want so its not a issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by philly01 View Post
    Actually the Sig RX does allow for iron site cowitness standard.


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    And it is still a questionable set-up. Like what you choose... but if you think HK is now "behind the times"... ha-ha. Enjoy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by philly01 View Post
    And the pricing on the P30? Walther just introduced the Creed, a hammer fired DAO pistol (think Lem) for less than its striker fired guns. And a far better trigger than Lem which is frankly old technology. I think I am finished with waiting for the crumbs of the military and LE markets to be tossed my way.

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    The Walther Creed. Do you realize the Creed has a three part MIM barrel and it is a redone PPX which was an existing pistol and users have reported barrels coming apart? No thanks. I will wait for what HK comes out with next.
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    It's Sunday so an allegorical scriptural reference suffices. Man's ways are not God's ways and God's way are not man's ways...

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    I disagree completely about falling behind, if anything it's more of just the other brands making up ground slowly… though I don't believe they can be expected to ever pull ahead.

    Quote Originally Posted by grumpy1 View Post
    The Walther Creed. Do you realize the Creed has a three part MIM barrel and it is a redone PPX which was an existing pistol and users have reported barrels coming apart? No thanks. I will wait for what HK comes out with next.
    This is indeed truth here folks, the PPX was discontinued quietly… only to get a nice facelift to try and hide not only the bad but the ugly too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WellWellWell View Post
    I disagree completely about falling behind, if anything it's more of just the other brands making up ground slowly… though I don't believe they can be expected to ever pull ahead.



    This is indeed truth here folks, the PPX was discontinued quietly… only to get a nice facelift to try and hide not only the bad but the ugly too.
    People forget that he PPX was intended to be a budget pistol. Like ya'know a SD9VE. I am sure both the SD9VE and the PPX are good guns, but calling out HK for not innovating or making cheaper guns. Just lol.

    If you want "innovation", keep buying kel-tec and Taurus yearly offerings.

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    Let's wait for the great and not rush for a product that will flush

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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterBlaster View Post
    Why does everyone think that if you don't make some huge announcement at shot show then you are a failing company? HK historically announces new products at the NRA show. Just chill out for a while...

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