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I'm looking to buy a 33 parts kit so I can have spare parts, and am wondering if they are all the same. The ones Adam is selling indicate "Heckler & Koch German manufactured issued to the Malaysian Army" and sell for $425. The Apex version sells for about $340 and indicates "Original German H&K 33 parts kit in .223 caliber".

Are they the same? I'm looking for the best quality used parts I can find that are hopefully German HK made. This seems to be the least expensive way to get a full bolt group and a few other parts...not worried about the barrel / trunnion / furniture.

Thanks for your input.
 

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The only ones that I recall coming in were the Malaysian kits. At one time they still had the original barrels (DSA and others maybe Vector used to sell them), but now I think they are all shipped with a US made barrel. But for sure, you can't beat that price if you're looking for some spares.

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Apex had FMP kits a while back..
 

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Never knew FMP made a 5.56.
 

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So as far as we know, all 33 parts kits are German HK made and not Paki or something else then? If that's the case, I might as well go with the lowest bidder and hope I get a low mileage kit. Thanks for the replies!
 

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All 33 53 93's were German produced. HK never licensed these for production.
 

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Clarification: The Malaysian kits are 100% HK manufactured?
 

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Thread necro... Is there a cheaper parts kit out there than apex's $499 kit? Sucks that it was $340 last year!

And were the Malaysian parts kits licensed of hk manufacture? I always thought they were licensed?
 

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Thread necro... Is there a cheaper parts kit out there than apex's $499 kit? Sucks that it was $340 last year!

And were the Malaysian parts kits licensed of hk manufacture? I always thought they were licensed?
All 33 53 93's were German produced. HK never licensed these for production.



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Yeah I read that, which seems to be contrary to hk93s built on Malaysian contract parts kits. Then the next post questioned the statements validity, and got no response. So I wanted to bring it up again and see if I could get a real response.

(as in: if his statement were true, all c93's are built on German parts with American barrels/receivers, therefore having nothing to do with Malaysia other than having seen service there.) Does that sound right to you?

If you don't want to type a response, then no response is fine. No use quoting the thread, I read it. I understand it. I am just questioning it.
 

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I've noticed two distinct type of markings on the receiver rems I've seen, which seem to correlate to the way the gun was demilled, which seam to go to source. Both types appear to have the stylized "HK" in the "HK33" model number, which would lead me to believe that it was actually HK made, but I am by no means an expert. The book "Full Circle" also has some detail about one of these contracts, and the guns were HK made. Some of the kits also have very nicely marked serial numbers on the bolt, carrier, and locking piece, which if I were to buy another kit for a project, is what I would pick up.
I was googling around a while back, and I don't remember if it was Thailand or Malaysia or wherever, but there were photos that seam to imply to me (not being able to read the language for myself), that one of those countries was making its own parts.
 

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Just because a country is making it's own parts/rifles doesn't mean they are doing so with HK's blessing. All the 33 kit's I've known of have been HK production rifles but that doesn't mean there isn't a wildcat out there somewhere. How MKE fits into all this I have no idea. I never knew Turkey made squat in the arms world until the rifles showed up in the US.
 

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-33E's, as well as civi variants, are made by MKE in Turkey. I personally have not seen HK33 parts kits in the US that were identifiable as MKE made. There are lots of loose individual (spare) parts for sale by several folks, and the complete guns as imported by ATI. MKE webpage and Full Circle

-55,000 HK33's were shipped as parts to Malaysia and assembled (and serviced) there with the help of HK. These are the guns with "PDM..." markings on what is left of the receiver. Full Circle There are a lot of these parts kits here in the US.

-There are also "ATM..." marked HK33 parts kits here in the US, which are believe are also from Malaysia, as the "ATM" bit I believe stands for: Angkatan Tentera Malaysia-ATM, the military of Malaysia, kinda like the "BW" marking stands for Bundeswehr. I have no primary reference for this, but it makes sense. They also have SUO lowers too. All these that I've seen were saw cut, had the serial number marked bolt, locking piece, and carrier, and some kits made it in with whole barrels. Given the bit from Full Circle, I'd say these are part of the 55,000 to Malay. I have no primary reference to say these are Malaysian, but I'd put money on that.

-There is an occasional Enfield marked kit that pops up, these are probably ex PD guns.

-There is one photo in Full Circle of an FMP marked HK33. Doesn't give a lot of detail on it.

-Of course the H&R ones.

-Thailand, according to Full Circle, manufacturers the HK33 on a "low scale." It doesn't specifically say, but it implies that there was German made ones before they began to make their own. I don't think there are any of these kits in the US.

That is it as far as I know on non-HK/German made -33s.
 
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