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I just handled a HK "IE" date coded MP5 trainer rifle. Looks exactly like any F/A MP5 except it has a blue charging handle. On the top it is marked "HK MP5 PT", serial number is below 10. It has a 3 lug barrel and is designed to shoot the Dynamite Nobel Blue training rounds that the HK P7 PT8 shoots.

What surprised me is that when I pulled the rear stock off, the lower is a "swing down" lower. It has the auto sear and trip, but no 9MM ejector. I talked with Matt at HK-USA today and he recalls a very limited amount of these trainers comming into the U.S. in the 80's.

I am working with the owner on a possible purchase. He is checking tomorrow if the gun is transferable or not and if so what Form it is on. Has anyone seen or heard of these? If so what price would be a "good Price" on a F/A MP5 trainer?

If it is a transferable gun, could one chnage the barrel out to 9MM? By the way the left side receiver, just above the magwell, it is marked "Kal. 9X19". I would think if that caliber is marked on the Form 3/4 that one could make the gun run in that caliber. I know price on something like this is what someone is willing to pay, but if I find his price is too high i will let you all know.

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It is either a pre-sample or a post-sample, either way it is restricted to a current FFL/SOT with a demo request letter required if it is a post-sample. It would need a new trunion in addition to the barrel as I believe the trunion is different to allow a floating chamber.
 

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Yes, it does have the floating chamber like on my P7K3 .22lr. What exactly is a "pre-sample" if you don't mind?

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It's a safety bullet gun, shoots paint ball loads.
It is still a post sample SMG. I have shot one a long time ago.
Uses little 9mm paint ball bullets.
 

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Yes, it does have the floating chamber like on my P7K3 .22lr. What exactly is a "pre-sample" if you don't mind?

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Its really Pre-May 1986 dealer samples and Post-May dealer samples.

A pre-sample is a sample gun bought by class 3 dealers for demos made before the 1986 ban. With a pre-sample the dealer can keep the firearm after he drops/gives up his SOT/class 3 status. Pre-sample cost more than post-samples but less then transferables. A pre-sample can never be sold to a indivial.

A post-sample is made after the 1986 ban and can never be transfered to civians as well. The dealer can not keep a post sample after he drops/gives up his SOT/class status. All post-samples need a demo letter to transfer to any dealer. Post samples cost the same as any regular semi.

Then you got the transferables registered before May of 1986 we can own and pay a **** load for.:90:

Sorry don't know a thing about the "Trainer" gun you are talking about, but then again I don't know much about HKs. EIther way it sounds like you can not legally own the MP5 you are looking at.
 

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HK MP5 P/T guns...

It is either a pre-sample or a post-sample, either way it is restricted to a current FFL/SOT with a demo request letter required if it is a post-sample. It would need a new trunion in addition to the barrel as I believe the trunion is different to allow a floating chamber.

TACO is correct... No go for civilian ownership of the HK MP5 P/T guns...

Most of these guns in country are pre 86 dealer samples... The rest are post 86...

They use the RWS DA 9mm casings with the 5 mm blue paint tip marking casing...
 

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The one i played with yesterday is a MP5 except for the barrel, trunion as far as i could tell. I will find out later today what form this thing is on.

If by slim chance it is a transferable gun, anyone have a clue to its collectable value to an individual? By the way serial number was 005, and it had a old style plastic SEF lower with the finger grooves.

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HKI brought in MP5 PT's as well as P7M8 PT's. The blue indicators all over the guns are to prevent accidental chambering of a live 9mm round. Most of these units were bought by Wackenhut Security to field in nuclear plants as an alternative to live fire weapons in areas where bullet holes in plumbing would be a real no-no.

The MP5s are just that, MP5's, and all transfer restrictions apply. The PT round was made by Dynamit Nobel and fires a blue hard plastic bullet, it was considered lethal at close range.

Neat guns, almost no recoil, and a hoot to shoot on FA, but cleaning the bbls on the MP5s was a bit unique after they warmed up a bit...
 

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The gun you describe shoots real plastic bullets and could be lethal at close range. There are other HK trainers that shoot paint. The PTs were used for kill-house and indoor training.

 

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Well, it was a long shot...

and to long! The gun is dealer to dealer only. Worth a try though, not sure if it was a pre-sample or not, did not get that info.


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They shoot the Dynamit Nobel PT Plastic Training ammo, there was a P7 made that used this ammo as well. NOT something you'd want to step in front of! It was explained to me once that this ammo was more dreamed up in the Carter years to use inside airplanes on hijackers, that sort of thing, as well as pre-frangilble indoor training.

Here's a pic that was posted here a few years ago of a "sort of rare" serial number PT :)


 
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