Are any of the clones as well made and reliable as an original HK (91,93,94---)??
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LOL let me give you short answer Hell no...
MKE comes the closest IMO
MKE comes the closest IMO
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You went full retard, man. Never go full retard...
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In my humble opinion, original HK is the standard, and all others fall short to some degree or another, even if they come close. However, for the money, you get a reasonable facsimile which will function about as well, depending upon the maker, and the quality of the parts you choose. I have not seen or used an MKE, Springfield Armory, FMP, Vector, the latest DJF guns. My opinion is based on observation of the web and owning at various times a CA 89, a Turnfab MP5K clone, HK94, an HK SP89, and a Dakota Tactical D54P... I still own my SP89/MP5K-N, HK94/MP5 sbr, and the D54P.
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Personally, I would not buy a genuine HK roller lock due to the fact that I shoot thousands of rounds through my guns in semi and full auto. Seems like a waste of money to buy an HK just to shoot the hell out of it and kill it's resale value.
Get a good clone (Ghilliebear or Chopstix) and use the money you save on the gun purchase for ammo or towards a full auto sear.
Get a good clone (Ghilliebear or Chopstix) and use the money you save on the gun purchase for ammo or towards a full auto sear.
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My PTR 91 has been just as reliable/accurate and looks just as good as my HK 91 and when I bought it new was 1/3rd the price/value
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Mine work just as well as my orginals. I did have to have a C93 go and be unf&^$ed by Jeff. Now I can depend on it to go bang and not jam. That said I did have a brand new out of the box HK91 that when you pulled the trigger nothing happened. Trigger pack was screwed up from the factory.
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My rule is thumb is to purchase the actual German HK when ever the price is close enough. For me in the past the figure was a grand, thus picked up an HK93 over a Vector V93 (at the limit of a grand a few years ago) and an HK91 over the other clones which cost around a grand vs the two grand in the latest HK91 (first HK91 was $385 
. For the HK53 went with a MM53 as was half the price of a "German" receiver HK53 plus even more important the "HK"53 was still a built gun and not factory.
. For the HK53 went with a MM53 as was half the price of a "German" receiver HK53 plus even more important the "HK"53 was still a built gun and not factory.
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Guys there is alot more to German guns than fit and finish. If you want a firearm that has been tested in the field for decades go with HK, if you want guns that have not been tested in any way go with a clone. Absolutely no US HK parts manufacturer or builder tests their firearms/parts to the level that HK does so their performance other than in a recreational shooting scenario is absolutely unknown (other than Michaels Machines, they have posted some videos of their guns being pushed quite a bit). I'm mostly speaking of clones made of US made parts because their quality other than cosmetic and dimensional is unknown and has not been tested in any way to my knowledge.... So having that knowledge make your choice wisely . It all depends what you are looking for in a firearm...
. It all depends what you are looking for in a firearm...
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Don't disagree, however, lots of the cool HK style host guns never came into the US from German. Which is one of the reasons I tend to have the HK9X series guns (including SP89) from Germany and the other items from Mike.Guys there is alot more to German guns than fit and finish. If you want a firearm that has been tested in the field for decades go with HK, if you want guns that have not been tested in any way go with a clone. Absolutely no US HK parts manufacturer or builder tests their firearms/parts to the level that HK does so their performance other than in a recreational shooting scenario is absolutely unknown (other than Michaels Machines, they have posted some videos of their guns being pushed quite a bit). I'm mostly speaking of clones made of US made parts because their quality other than cosmetic and dimensional is unknown and has not been tested in any way to my knowledge.... So having that knowledge make your choice wisely
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And that is the reason I always go with the real German internal parts. Jeff latest build for me is on Mint FMP. Weak link the receiver? The trunnion, barrel and the BCG do all the real work. The receiver just holds them in place.Guys there is alot more to German guns than fit and finish. If you want a firearm that has been tested in the field for decades go with HK, if you want guns that have not been tested in any way go with a clone. Absolutely no US HK parts manufacturer or builder tests their firearms/parts to the level that HK does so their performance other than in a recreational shooting scenario is absolutely unknown (other than Michaels Machines, they have posted some videos of their guns being pushed quite a bit). I'm mostly speaking of clones made of US made parts because their quality other than cosmetic and dimensional is unknown and has not been tested in any way to my knowledge.... So having that knowledge make your choice wisely
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On a custom build made out of a demilled German MP5, the only difference is the receiver. We are talking about a stamped, rolled piece of sheet metal being the only thing that separates the real deal from a high quality custom build. To some, that stamped, rolled piece of sheet metal is worth $1,000 - $1,500. To me it is asinine to pay that kind of money for a piece of sheet metal that has "HK" stamped on it.
Furthermore, the RCM made parts have proven themselves very reliable. Certainly not the level that HK has, but I am sure there are guys here who have tens of thousands of rounds through the RCM parts.
To answer you question OP, I had a HK94 and sold it because I couldn't justify the extra cost when my Dakota Tactical guns do the same thing effortlessly and look just as pretty. With the extra cash you can buy boatload of ammo, or a cheap beater clone to let your buddies shoot.
Furthermore, the RCM made parts have proven themselves very reliable. Certainly not the level that HK has, but I am sure there are guys here who have tens of thousands of rounds through the RCM parts.
To answer you question OP, I had a HK94 and sold it because I couldn't justify the extra cost when my Dakota Tactical guns do the same thing effortlessly and look just as pretty. With the extra cash you can buy boatload of ammo, or a cheap beater clone to let your buddies shoot.
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Guys there is alot more to German guns than fit and finish. If you want a firearm that has been tested in the field for decades go with HK, if you want guns that have not been tested in any way go with a clone. Absolutely no US HK parts manufacturer or builder tests their firearms/parts to the level that HK does so their performance other than in a recreational shooting scenario is absolutely unknown (other than Michaels Machines, they have posted some videos of their guns being pushed quite a bit). I'm mostly speaking of clones made of US made parts because their quality other than cosmetic and dimensional is unknown and has not been tested in any way to my knowledge.... So having that knowledge make your choice wisely
I think these two responses sum it up VERY well. While I do have about 7000 rounds (mostly reloads) now through my RCM-based D54P (sn 35-00001) the most torture it has seen is 7 back-to-back mag dumps and has only been cleaned 4 times... and I would not consider that torture by any means. Oh, and only two malfunctions... #1 was a bad shell casing which bent the extractor spring which caused #2.
My answer to the question? You can buy some really really good clones these days... fit, finish, fuction--all phenominal but will not have been tested to the extent that HK tests their guns. As such, no, there are no clones as good as a real HK. But it all boils down to what you want and why you are buying it.
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