[Tiger 2 Tank]

I have several Hk USP's. With the VP series striker fired pistols out there now, is there a reason for the USP's? The VP's, to me anyway, just seem like they would shoot better without that long USP first trigger double action pull. There's also a few more little advantages with the VP's that the USP's don't have.

Just wondering what the current thought on this was.

 

[DudeRick]

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[gza069]

It does make one wonder...
Some people just plain prefer hammer fired though. I guess if HK is still making USP's there is still enough of a demand for them!

 

[Austin1776]

I prefer the USP trigger system.

First, you can carry it "cocked and locked" so you have SA all the time.
Second, there are a variety of trigger systems available on the USP line.
Third, no matter how 'nice' a striker action is, it still is a striker action with a "spongie" trigger.
Fourth, I do not believe the VP9 is as rugged or durable as the USP line of handguns.
Fifth, the USP line of handguns "just works" ... the saying, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" comes to mind.

I'd say, yes, of course the USP line is still relevant.

Lots of people mistake software problems for hardware problems, thinking there is out there the "perfect handgun" that will make them a better shooter. That leads to a lot of buying and selling and "upgrading" of firearms.

 

[Tiger 2 Tank]

I prefer the USP trigger system.

First, you can carry it "cocked and locked" so you have SA all the time.
Second, there are a variety of trigger systems available on the USP line.
Third, no matter how 'nice' a striker action is, it still is a striker action with a "spongie" trigger.
Fourth, I do not believe the VP9 is as rugged or durable as the USP line of handguns.
Fifth, the USP line of handguns "just works" ... the saying, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" comes to mind.

I'd say, yes, of course the USP line is still relevant.

Lots of people mistake software problems for hardware problems, thinking there is out there the "perfect handgun" that will make them a better shooter. That leads to a lot of buying and selling and "upgrading" of firearms.

I can see all of these points but the fourth one. I would think the VP's would be just as rugged and durable as the USP's.

I like both USP's and VP's, just wondering if Hk was eventually going to do away with the USP's or what the future of them is.

 

[GJM]

I can see all of these points but the fourth one. I would think the VP's would be just as rugged and durable as the USP's.

The USP is fully proven in that regard with a 20+ year track record.

 

[Spart]

I have several Hk USP's. With the VP series striker fired pistols out there now, is there a reason for the USP's? The VP's, to me anyway, just seem like they would shoot better without that long USP first trigger double action pull. There's also a few more little advantages with the VP's that the USP's don't have.

Just wondering what the current thought on this was.

Make your USP an LEM. No more long, heavy, DA pull. Problem solved. I know I am probably in the minority but I'd prefer the USP or P30 in LEM over the VP9. I owned a VP9 for......... for about a week.

 

[brutetc]

I've been in a situation where I had to sell either a VP9 or my USP twice now. I've sold the VP9 both times. It's a great gun, but the USP is a modern classic IMO


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[ccosby]

I haven't actually shot the vp9 but my usp9 tactical is one of the most accurate semi auto pistols I've shot. Pretty much everyone I've handed mine to has shot it better than whatever they were shooting. My usp 45 tactical should be in next week to be used as a 45 suppressor host.

The USP is a big gun but overall is a very good, proven design. I'd say it is still relevant.

 

[Kost]

I'm not a fan of striker fire guns, to each his/her own. USP Series is still and will alway be relevant. I think it's more durable due to the Recoil Reduction System. I have yet to hear of a P Series reaching 287K+ round counts like the Full size USP 45 over at Federal Ammo. There are many other accounts about USP doing this high round count, which seems easily reached by that platform.

I'll take a USP thank you!

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[Tiger 2 Tank]

It's interesting with these views. I thought the VP's were the next upward movement in Hk's pistols. Guess not. Has there been a high round test done with the VP's? I hadn't seen or heard of any if there was. I hadn't noticed or seen where the VP was made "less" than the USP. I need to go back and look at the two again.

 

[JonFrost]

To me my best shooting pistol is my full size usp9. I'm amazed at how great that gun is. I love my vp9's, but the usp is amazing. But I do think the general public is moving toward striker fired guns in general.

 

[Tiger 2 Tank]

Is it fair to say that the USP was made more for the military and the VP's for civilian users?

 

[propel]

I have 3 VP9's and a VP40 and a pair of similar P30's. While I like the VP's I like the USP's better. I shoot better with them.

 

[Kost]

It's interesting with these views. I thought the VP's were the next upward movement in Hk's pistols. Guess not. Has there been a high round test done with the VP's? I hadn't seen or heard of any if there was. I hadn't noticed or seen where the VP was made "less" than the USP. I need to go back and look at the two again.

VP is not made less than USP. You owe it to yourself to buy a Full size USP, they truly are that good! =)

 

[Barth]

USP is a classic and will remain relevant for many years to come.

 

[Tiger 2 Tank]

VP is not made less than USP. You owe it to yourself to buy a Full size USP, they truly are that good! =)

Well, I have both. I haven't fired my USP's in many years and I have a new in the box VP9 that I want to keep brand new. I guess I need to get another one and shoot it and compare it to my USP9f's. I have two USP9f's; one new in the box and the other that has not had that many rounds through it.

 

[JooJooBurger]

Is it fair to say that the USP was made more for the military and the VP's for civilian users?

Some people have come to that conclusion, considering the VP stands for 'People's Pistol' in German.

I do have to agree with what has been said before. The overall build quality of the VP9 wasn't disappointing, but it wasn't the build quality of the HK that I expect having owned many USPs.

I think the VP9 fills that niche of budget and for people who are unable to shoot a DA/SA pistol well and are not knowledgeable enough to know that the USP family of handguns can have a Hybrid Match LEM installed and come out with a superb trigger. Kinda baffles me why they didn't manufacture match parts of any sort for the P30 family of handguns, especially considering they're supposed to be the more advanced USP.

Getting back to the OP, I would say the USP almost has a cult-like following and is still very relevant. It's hard to find that doesn't just run on anything you feed it.

 

[Finesse]

I'd say they are relevant. My USPc 40 should be into the local FFL next week. It's a varient 1, DA/SA. I'm not a fan of the LEM triggers, to much like a striker fired. I can get a Glock a lot cheaper. I have a Sig P229 DA/SA that I shoot better than anything else I own. It's just practice, practice, practice. As they say, YMMV.

 

[Josefius]

I bought two USPs in the last two months, I think they are relevant.

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