The tight chambered PTRs weren't incorrect. They had tried to make the rifles more accurate with a tighter chamber but the problem was the buyers still wanted to be able to use cheap ammo in their more accurate rifles. Thus the issues and PTR went back to the looser spec.The only 91 that I've had a problem with was a PTR91 that was chambered in American Eagle. Wouldn't extract Wolf or Tula. Had to use a rod and hammer to get them out. A bit later they came out with a correctly chambered barrel version and called it the GI.
That's all I got for you.
Sorry but the current GI models should be able to shoot every kind of ammo, so if yours wont shoot steel cased then PTR did not fix the problem. I also thought all the GI R rifles already came with a paddle mag release?My ptr91 gi r DOES NOT like steel cased ammo. I had issues with all ammo when I got it and Ptr took care of the issue. It shoots now except with steel cased ammo. I like my rifle, had a paddle mag installed as well.
Yeah, that was their story at the time, and I guess still is. Kept them from having to fix them. At the time, there were too many people with insider information who admitted that it was a mistake. But it seems that usually gives way to revisionist history. At some point, even I will die (or at least lose interest) and there will be no one to tell the real truth about what happened. Even if this special feature story were true, you'd think they would have been a little (ok, a lot) more open about it in their advertising and description of the barrel, other than just printing the typical disclaimer about steel case and cheap ammo.The tight chambered PTRs weren't incorrect. They had tried to make the rifles more accurate with a tighter chamber but the problem was the buyers still wanted to be able to use cheap ammo in their more accurate rifles. Thus the issues and PTR went back to the looser spec.
Same hereI shoot plenty of Tula in my PTR91 GI and haven't had any issues with it.
I remember their advertising clearly mentioning the tighter chamber for increased accuracy. I would venture your "insider" probably meant it was a "mistake to try the tighter chamber since people still wanted the cheap ammo capability", more so then it was a "mistake in which the chambers were cut wrong".Yeah, that was their story at the time, and I guess still is. Kept them from having to fix them. At the time, there were too many people with insider information who admitted that it was a mistake. But it seems that usually gives way to revisionist history. At some point, even I will die (or at least lose interest) and there will be no one to tell the real truth about what happened. Even if this special feature story were true, you'd think they would have been a little (ok, a lot) more open about it in their advertising and description of the barrel, other than just printing the typical disclaimer about steel case and cheap ammo.
Not sure why they'd put that "feature" in a short barreled rifle anyway. I wasn't thinking PSG-1 accuracy when I bought a 16" PTR-91. I was thinking sear host battle rifle. I guess I was thinking wrong.
But congradulations for dragging me into an age-old debate and making me relive the pain. I see you benefitted from those of us who bought this defective rifle and got yourself a GI version. Well good for you. But you might want to work on how you show your appreciation. :biggrin:
In any case, regardless of what the basis is for the rifle's limit... it is still a valid limitation and noteworthy to the purpose of this thread. CYA stories and subsequent arguements are irrellavent. I just want people to know they shouldn't buy one of these "special" rifles and expect it to shoot a very wide variety of ammo, typically useful in a real HK91.
Edit to add: Oh, and for the record, I have a Coharie CA53AR that uses AR mags. That particular feature is nice, but not nearly nice enough to make up for the fact that it will only use steel case ammo reliably. The chamber on it is too tight and brass cases will get stuck in it. I've even had it tear cases in half when trying to extract them. The steel cases seem to be the only thing strong enough to keep them in one piece when extracting from the gun. I had to buy a special case extractor to get the front part of a broken case out of the chamber. They only good thing about the defect is that the residual case ring will keep a new round from inserting far enough into the chamber for the gun to go into full battery. So no chance of an explosion when the event occurs. I've put a few hundred rounds of Wolf and Tula through it in full auto though. I guess the brass on Federal 193 stuff just expands too much and gets torn apart during extraction. Very weird. Maybe the flutes are cut deep enough.
Nope, still alive. Try again later.I remember their advertising clearly mentioning the tighter chamber for increased accuracy. I would venture your "insider" probably meant it was a "mistake to try the tighter chamber since people still wanted the cheap ammo capability", more so then it was a "mistake in which the chambers were cut wrong".
As to why offer it even in a 16" rifle, increased accuracy is always a selling point, as long as it doesn't come with a loss in reliability.
No idea what you mean. You are obviously free to believe whatever tin foil hattery you like. I said they were attempting to increase accuracy...I never said they accomplished it. Done here.Nope, still alive. Try again later.
Now who wants to trade me a GI for a much more accurate version? I'll even throw in a couple of boxes of Tula ammo for your other rifle.
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Tin foil hattery? Next I'll be a nazi. You need to work on the originality of your personal insults.No idea what you mean. You are obviously free to believe whatever tin foil hattery you like. I said they were attempting to increase accuracy...I never said they accomplished it. Done here.
Yeah, that was their story at the time, and I guess still is. Kept them from having to fix them. At the time, there were too many people with insider information who admitted that it was a mistake. But it seems that usually gives way to revisionist history. At some point, even I will die (or at least lose interest) and there will be no one to tell the real truth about what happened. Even if this special feature story were true, you'd think they would have been a little (ok, a lot) more open about it in their advertising and description of the barrel, other than just printing the typical disclaimer about steel case and cheap ammo.
My ptr gi-r was bought before the paddle was installed. When I sent mine back to get fixed they polished the bolt head. It works like it should except it does not work with steel cased ammo. It does the same thing before I sent it in. Now if I take my other hk bolt carrier group and put it in this rifle the. I am back to not working again. So I am thinking its a barrel trunnion issue. Because they polished the sides of the bolt head were it seats in the trunnion. I just have not talked to them about it. It shoots with brass cased ammo. That is why I haven't complained so much. I reload and I reuse my Ptr cases.Sorry but the current GI models should be able to shoot every kind of ammo, so if yours wont shoot steel cased then PTR did not fix the problem. I also thought all the GI R rifles already came with a paddle mag release?
So you are in agreement with my comment then, yet you still say I am wrong. You just admitted there was "no mistake" made in the parts for the rifles just that, like I said, they did it on purpose and their attempt didn't turn out like they thought it would.Tin foil hattery? Next I'll be a nazi. You need to work on the originality of your personal insults.
I'm not denying they were trying to make a more accurate rifle. I think they just got unwittingly carried away with how they attempted it and left many customers stuck with something less than desirable.
And by the way, as far as having no idea what my "still alive" was in reference to, go back and read the first paragraph of my post that you quoted. If you can't remember something like this for 10 minutes, or correlate the reference, why the hell would anybody have any faith in what you remember from something happening years ago?
The sides of the bolt head don't seat in the trunion at all. The only parts that touch the sides of the trunion are the rollers.My ptr gi-r was bought before the paddle was installed. When I sent mine back to get fixed they polished the bolt head. It works like it should except it does not work with steel cased ammo. It does the same thing before I sent it in. Now if I take my other hk bolt carrier group and put it in this rifle the. I am back to not working again. So I am thinking its a barrel trunnion issue. Because they polished the sides of the bolt head were it seats in the trunnion. I just have not talked to them about it. It shoots with brass cased ammo. That is why I haven't complained so much. I reload and I reuse my Ptr cases.
I'm sorry. I thought we were debating if they did anything wrong. Not that they intentionally did something wrong when making the gun. I guess I'll make my points more clear to avoid confusion:So you are in agreement with my comment then, yet you still say I am wrong. You just admitted there was "no mistake" made in the parts for the rifles just that, like I said, they did it on purpose and their attempt didn't turn out like they thought it would.
