[orfeo]

Assignment for HK:

Build an 8-shot semi-auto polymer handgun,

1. that is Single Action Only with manual safety
2. that is slimmer than a 1911 (single-stack)
3. that has a 5-inch barrel
4. which utilizes the same type of sliding (NOT pivoting), ultra short travel, short reset trigger as the venerable 1911. Make the trigger easily tune-able for weight from 1.5 lbs to 5 lbs.
5. Provide extra capacity magazines with removable grip extenders for those who insist on having more than eight rounds

Accomplish this task, and I will personally award you with the highly coveted "Orfeo Seal of Approval". With this seal, you will outsell all competitors, and every military & police unit in the world will swamp you with sales orders for the next 50 years. Regular civiilians will scramble to get their grubby paws on these too once they become aware of it, and will bid the street price up to 100% over list price. You will make more money than a small country, and you will always have me to thank for it.

 

[Gocad]

You should create an online petition as well, because it would totally increase the chance that HK will listen to you.

 

[R850R]

I'd buy one for each hand and a safe queen.

 

[M_E_]

If you WANT a 1911 type gun, go & buy one. There are a million of them out there.

 

[bordercop]

If you WANT a 1911 type gun, go & buy one. There are a million of them out there.

Agreed. I really don't think HK needs to jump into the 1911 market. It's already flooded. Even though I would like a slender frame/slide single stack series of handguns, I really don't think another 1911 in the market is a smart financial move for the company. 1911 production can go one of two ways: Either basic "mil-spec" affordable grade guns, or quality "custom" competition grade guns. HK would have to compete against the likes of Les Baer, Wilson, etc. to maintain their "no compromise" reputation. I really doubt that the use of a polymer frame could make up enough to get them a market share and a price point to be able to compete. Also, how well can you lock in a sliding style trigger with a polymer frame? With the sliding trigger, they'd have to wrap metal inserts around it, or come up with some kind of rail type design. I would think that the post-mold cleanup and trigger fitting would defeat the production advantages of polymer. It works on a hinged trigger, because the bearing surface is a metal axle, and the transfer bar is pulled. With the 1911 sliding trigger, the trigger bar is pushed into the frame.

 

[chuck s]

Put thin grips (Alumagrips are my favorites) on a good M1911A1 and you're there. We don't need another M1911 clone.

-- Chuck

 

[TGS]

Oh god this ******* conversation again.......

Didn't this already get covered like a million times in multiple threads in just the last month?

For once, I agree with Chuck.

 

[Apollo11]

I'd rather see HK bring back the P7 series. If you want crazy, then perhaps a P7M45 version? Single stack 45, holds seven rounds, and conceals well. I know, I'm off my rocker on this one.

 

[TGS]

I'd rather see HK bring back the P7 series. If you want crazy, then perhaps a P7M45 version? Single stack 45, holds seven rounds, and conceals well. I know, I'm off my rocker on this one.

Aha! Witness the P7M7! They already tried. Gun no workie.

 

[Apollo11]

Oh! Thanks for that. Well how about just making more 9mm P7's. Thanks for killing my hopes and dreams TGS...

 

[TGS]

Thanks for killing my hopes and dreams TGS...

It's what I do.

Also, my favorite hobby is beating little kids in a game of Checkers just to watch them cry, so I can point and laugh.

heh. heh heh.

 

[NCDevilDog]

Oh god this ******* conversation again.......

Didn't this already get covered like a million times in multiple threads in just the last month?

For once, I agree with Chuck.

+ a kagillion. Want a good clone from a company who has better things to to buy a Ruger SP1911. It's actually decent. Want a 9mm 1911, go Kimber. Want it polymer? Find a Wilson KZ-45. Want a Hi-Cap? Get a Para. I just hope you do not mind guns that don't work on that last one. Breaks my heart they are made right down the road from me.

Aha! Witness the P7M7! They already tried. Gun no workie.

On no, it worked alright. Well in fact. The gas retardation system was not strong enough for the .45, so they developed a hydraulic piston system. Costing killed it as the retooling to build the thing was prohibitive, and it was developed right at the time that the US had Wonder-Nine fever, so they killed it. And we .45 fans have drooled and whimpered ever since. Maybe even a tear or two.

 

[TGS]

On no, it worked alright. Well in fact. The gas retardation system was not strong enough for the .45, so they developed a hydraulic piston system. Costing killed it as the retooling to build the thing was prohibitive, and it was developed right at the time that the US had Wonder-Nine fever, so they killed it. And we .45 fans have drooled and whimpered ever since. Maybe even a tear or two.

I was going off of what G3Kurz wrote:

One of the reasons the P7M7 was never produced was the unresolved issue of the hydraulic buffer - they simply did not hold up in that caliber/platform and the P7 gas retardation system was a "no goer" for the .45 ACP round. That problem makes the P7 design both unique and technically dependent on caliber, recoil impulse limitations and adding mass to the slide to try and compensate (remember the P7M10). Not that is has any chance of being produced but if it did someone would have to lick the buffer technical issue and HK never could/did. Could someone make one work? - sure but for how long is always the designers concern.
G3Kurz

Even the .380's hydraulic buffer was problematic.

I don't imagine that cost would have been a problem. Given the cost of quality 1911's, I think the competition would have been more level since it didn't really have as much stiff competition like the P7M8/M13 had against all the wonder-nines for half the price. America's first and most popularized SWAT team wanted the P7M7......bad. It think that would have attracted a fair amount of attention, just as Kimber is able to sell several different models with the mere mention that it was developed for/used by LAPD SWAT and SIS.

 

[bordercop]

Maybe even a tear or two.

Yes, tears have been shed.

 

[orfeo]

Repeat after me: This is not a 1911. . . this is not a 1911. . . this is not a 1911. Then go back and re-read the original post.

. . . :490: . . . :490: . . . :490: . . .

 

[Blitzkrieg]

No interest here.. my 1911s do the same job, just a little heavier

 

[azimuth]

...and bring back the USP Match in a black Eagle soft case!...

 

[NCDevilDog]

I was going off of what G3Kurz wrote:


Even the .380's hydraulic buffer was problematic.

I don't imagine that cost would have been a problem. Given the cost of quality 1911's, I think the competition would have been more level since it didn't really have as much stiff competition like the P7M8/M13 had against all the wonder-nines for half the price. America's first and most popularized SWAT team wanted the P7M7......bad. It think that would have attracted a fair amount of attention, just as Kimber is able to sell several different models with the mere mention that it was developed for/used by LAPD SWAT and SIS.

It worked(ish)? I'm ok with ish. I own 1911's.

 

[TheDreamingTree]

I don't really see what benefit this gun would have over an HK45 or USP45. Except higher price.

 

[bordercop]

Repeat after me: This is not a 1911. . . this is not a 1911. . . this is not a 1911.

I tried it. I still see a polymer framed 1911. Sliding trigger, single stack, cocked and locked, .45acp, 8round magazine, pistol .....yup sounds like 1911 to me.