I ran std american eagle 124gr fmjs for 100 rounds, then immediately followed by 100 rounds of federal fmj. 0 failures. So far ive put 360 rounds downrange and the only malfunctions were my fiancé limp wristing it. control the firearm, dont let it control you. Dont let her shoot it much, she'll want 1 next. My fiancé has a px4 subcompact and when we go shoot she always wants to use my p30s
Did you clean and lubricate the pistol before firing it?My wife shot her new out of the box P30S 9mm today...
I don't know if this is exactly right... But I watched one happen Thursday while my woman was shooting. When she took the shot limp wristed I watched the empty shell start to eject but it looked like the gun caught up(moving upward due to the recoil and limp wristing) to the ejecting shell and the slide literally "caught" the ejecting shell. If that makes sense.Could someone explain to me specifically what part of the design allows limp wrist failures to occur.
Of the guns ive owned, some have been prone to limp wrist failures and some havent. With my old HK45 and my USP40 I tried tirelessly to induce limp wrist failures and it wouldnt happen. And I tried it when they were fresh out of the box, with stiff springs, and cheap walmart target ammo. Heck I even let my girlfriend shoot them (she has a horrible grip), and they still cycled.
But with my Glock and my P2K, i can always get them to FTE if I try hard enough. I can't understand why some polymer-framed guns are susceptible and some aren't. The only thing I can think of is that the Hk45 and USP40 are full-sized guns vs. my Glock and P2K. Could that be it?
It's not just the polymer framed gun (lighter frames in general are easier to limp wrist) that makes it more prone to the limp wrist malfunctions. The issue is that the slide is moving back from the pressure of the ejecting case, while the frame is not being held tightly enough to create a stiff foundation to work against, rather the entire pistol is moving back and the case cannot hit the ejector hard enough or the closing slide catches the case after the ejector hits the case. The slide then looses momentum and the recoil spring overcomes it and tries to close the breech. This is why when the recoil spring is stiff it is even easier to limp wrist.Could someone explain to me specifically what part of the design allows limp wrist failures to occur.
Of the guns ive owned, some have been prone to limp wrist failures and some havent. With my old HK45 and my USP40 I tried tirelessly to induce limp wrist failures and it wouldnt happen. And I tried it when they were fresh out of the box, with stiff springs, and cheap walmart target ammo. Heck I even let my girlfriend shoot them (she has a horrible grip), and they still cycled.
But with my Glock and my P2K, i can always get them to FTE if I try hard enough. I can't understand why some polymer-framed guns are susceptible and some aren't. The only thing I can think of is that the Hk45 and USP40 are full-sized guns vs. my Glock and P2K. Could that be it?
Oh yea, I cleaned and lubed it. The stuff the factory uses looked like axle grease. But thanks and another good point!Did you clean and lubricate the pistol before firing it?
I would say that the physics of the matter would disagree. The pistol has to have something to recoil against in order to cycle--there is no getting around it. There is a compromise that exist between the strength of the recoil spring, the weight of the slide, the weight of the frame and the strength of the load. There are a lot of forces at work in different directions, and the main variable, especially on a new pistol is the resistance the shooter provides.A reliable pistol should function and cycle no matter how strong or weak you hold it. "Limp wristing" is an excuse for a poorly designed or functioning pistol. Wear-in will usually improve the functionality, but you should be able to hold a reliable pistol with two fingers in any position, to include upside-down and have it function. This is one of my criteria and only pistols that pass these tests are retained.
-- Chuck
This guy knows what he's talking about. I've read all his posts concerning the OP's original post and he's spot on.I would say that the physics of the matter would disagree. The pistol has to have something to recoil against in order to cycle--there is no getting around it. There is a compromise that exist between the strength of the recoil spring, the weight of the slide, the weight of the frame and the strength of the load. There are a lot of forces at work in different directions, and the main variable, especially on a new pistol is the resistance the shooter provides.