Broken in P30L

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DaZe831

Discussion Starter · Mar 4, 2012

Shooting my buddies P30L 9mm and I am getting a FTE on the last round of a magazine I ran through it. 115gr Federal from Walmart. Ran about 150 rounds of Federal and got about 5 FTE.

Has about 3,000 rounds since new. Could it be a weak batch of Federal or dirty ejector? Thanks guys!

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Apollo11

· #2 · Mar 4, 2012

It should be broken with 3K through it.

Here is a list of things to check:

-ID which mag is doing this.
-Clean all mags
-Check the extractor, and remove carbon.
-Replace mag spring in the mag in question

Questions:

-Any modifications to the gun?
-How clean does he keep it?

Good luck!

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HKOREGUN

· #3 · Mar 4, 2012

I'd say after 1k it should be broken in. I agree with Apollo clean and check all magazines and remove and clean all the carbon build up in and around the extractor. Good luck and keep us posted.

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Wolvee

· #4 · Mar 4, 2012

I haven't had any issues with any of my pistols with 115gr federal from wally world. Even in "break in" I never had any FTE/FTF's. Is the slide staying open or is it short stroking completely?

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chuck s

· #5 · Mar 4, 2012

This is a stoppage common to a weak or dirty extractor.

Recall that in the Browning action the barrel cams down during extraction while the slide remains at the same height. This can pull the case out of the extractor and it will fall off the face of the slide before striking the ejector. A cartridge in the magazine under the extracted case will normally prevent the case from falling off, but an empty magazine provides no such support.

An extractor with enough tension will retain the case during this cam-down but dirt under the extractor reduces tension on the cartridge rim. It's a common "rule of thumb" test to slide a loaded cartridge under the extractor (with the slide off the pistol) and shake it to see if it falls off.

The first step to solving this stoppage is a ruthless cleaning and inspection of the extractor. Damaged extractors and weak extractor springs are rare in this pistol, but dirt and crud under them is common. Lubricant and powder residue tends to turn to a form of concrete when dry. Best way is to remove the extractor completely.

Replacement extractor spring doesn't hurt. It's out of the pistol anyway.

-- Chuck

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DaZe831

Discussion Starter · #6 · Mar 4, 2012

Apollo11 said:
It should be broken with 3K through it.

Here is a list of things to check:

-ID which mag is doing this.
-Clean all mags
-Check the extractor, and remove carbon.
-Replace mag spring in the mag in question

Questions:

-Any modifications to the gun?
-How clean does he keep it?

Good luck!

Mags are pretty much new, but haven't been cleaned so it could be that. Happened with every magazine. Could also be a dirty extractor, what i thought it was in the first place. Guess we'll be cleaning both mags and extractor lol.

Pistol has no mods and he keeps it pretty darn clean. Usually cleans it after every shooting session.

I'll keep you guys posted. Thanks for the replies!

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DaZe831

Discussion Starter · #7 · Mar 4, 2012

chuck s said:
This is a stoppage common to a weak or dirty extractor.

Recall that in the Browning action the barrel cams down during extraction while the slide remains at the same height. This can pull the case out of the extractor and it will fall off the face of the slide before striking the ejector. A cartridge in the magazine under the extracted case will normally prevent the case from falling off, but an empty magazine provides no such support.

An extractor with enough tension will retain the case during this cam-down but dirt under the extractor reduces tension on the cartridge rim. It's a common "rule of thumb" test to slide a loaded cartridge under the extractor (with the slide off the pistol) and shake it to see if it falls off.

The first step to solving this stoppage is a ruthless cleaning and inspection of the extractor. Damaged extractors and weak extractor springs are rare in this pistol, but dirt and crud under them is common. Lubricant and powder residue tends to turn to a form of concrete when dry. Best way is to remove the extractor completely.

Replacement extractor spring doesn't hurt. It's out of the pistol anyway.

-- Chuck

Thanks ChuckS! Will pass the information down. Appreciate the reply

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azimuth

· #8 · Mar 4, 2012

A similar problem was solved in another thread recently. Turned out the mags were not operating properly due to carbon/soot contaimination. The OP cleaned the and the last round failure was resolved. Perhaps this case has the same cause.

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RHINOWSO

· #9 · Mar 4, 2012

For this reason I have duty and range/competiton mags. Duty mags are never dropped or subject to abuse, and only broken in initially with range and carry ammo, then emptied occasionally to test duty ammo.

Range mags don't get as mich TLC, and are dropped, etc in the course of training, etc.

Unless the ammo he's been shooting has been really dirty, it's hard to believe the there has been that much carbon build up.

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williamthewolf

· #10 · Mar 4, 2012

Apollo11 said:
It should be broken with 3K through it.

Here is a list of things to check:

-ID which mag is doing this.
-Clean all mags
-Check the extractor, and remove carbon.
-Replace mag spring in the mag in question

Questions:

-Any modifications to the gun?
-How clean does he keep it?

Good luck!

Listen to Apollo. He saved my gun earlier this week with the tip on cleaning the mags.. even if you think they are clean... clean them again, lube them. The last round will hopefully feed. ... buy some backup replacement springs too while you're at it.

Another note: my mags weren't even that dirty.. not by a long shot... mainly really really dry.

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