I'd say you'll probably end up less pissed if you send it to Ghillie or Chop for a 33K conversion.
C93 not even a shootable parts kit
I heard the end of the C93's was near and decided to pick one up before they were all gone. I've allays called the C93 a shoot-able parts kit. They were not assembled that well, and probably need to be rebuilt, but for a while at least, you can shoot them.... well not true.
I got a parkerizied receiver that looked OK on the welding. However when I got home and checked out the bolt gap.... zero. zilch. nada... couldn't even get an 003 feeler to fit. When I called J&G this morning they told me... "You don't check bolt gap on a C93 like you would on a HK93." Ok I said, how do you check it then?... he said "Uhh I don't know, you'll have to call century."
The internals look like they took a used parts kit and assembled it without cleaning, or I've got a VERY used gun that saw a steady diet of wolf ammo.
If I wanted to return it for refund, J&G won't reimburse shipping, to, or from them, or my dealers transfer fee. even tho the gun is CLEARLY 'defective'. Though they did offer to 'exchange' this one, and ship another one from inventory to me after I return this one, shipping on my dime. The
next one would have to goto my dealer, where I'd have to pay another transfer fee. That would work out to more than 1/3 of the original sale price in shipping and fees...No thank you.
Now the quandary.
Do I want to call the credit card company and dispute the charge because its a defective product and put this mess back on J&G.
OR
Do I send it back to Century and let them hack on it some more... its only about $20 to ship it to them. Don't know about return ship charge.
OR
Just give up on all of them and send it straight to Ghilly to fix up right... and perhaps turn into a 33K
I got a parkerizied receiver that looked OK on the welding. However when I got home and checked out the bolt gap.... zero. zilch. nada... couldn't even get an 003 feeler to fit. When I called J&G this morning they told me... "You don't check bolt gap on a C93 like you would on a HK93." Ok I said, how do you check it then?... he said "Uhh I don't know, you'll have to call century."
The internals look like they took a used parts kit and assembled it without cleaning, or I've got a VERY used gun that saw a steady diet of wolf ammo.
If I wanted to return it for refund, J&G won't reimburse shipping, to, or from them, or my dealers transfer fee. even tho the gun is CLEARLY 'defective'. Though they did offer to 'exchange' this one, and ship another one from inventory to me after I return this one, shipping on my dime. The
next one would have to goto my dealer, where I'd have to pay another transfer fee. That would work out to more than 1/3 of the original sale price in shipping and fees...No thank you.
Now the quandary.
Do I want to call the credit card company and dispute the charge because its a defective product and put this mess back on J&G.
OR
Do I send it back to Century and let them hack on it some more... its only about $20 to ship it to them. Don't know about return ship charge.
OR
Just give up on all of them and send it straight to Ghilly to fix up right... and perhaps turn into a 33K
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fixed it for ya.I want to call the credit card company and dispute the charge because its a defective product and put this mess back on J&G.
'eh I only want to do option #1 if I really don't wan to keep the 93...
Send it to Jeff for the 33k conversion. Yes it will cost some bucks. But in the end it is worth it. Bought mine for $400 used and never shot it. Just sent it straight to Jeff.
sent mine back to cai (failed to eject) they paid return shipping and it took about 2-3 weeks, but they fixed it.
Just send it to Ghilli or Chop and let them work their magic. You will end up loving it verses sort of liking it. Been considering buying one and shipping it straight to one of them.
The long term plan was always to send it off for work.... I just was not expecting a 100% non-functional gun
+1I'd say you'll probably end up less pissed if you send it to Ghillie or Chop for a 33K conversion.
My.02
I don't mean to offend you but, there has to be at least a hundred threads here that say, a C93 is nothing more than a 1/2 built parts set. Some guys get lucky and can shoot their parts set gun for a while. Apparently you got the short straw and you can't shoot yours with out some over sized rollers. So buy some +4 rollers and you can shoot it some. Personally the +4 rollers would be good money down the drain. Just get it fixed. Does it such that Century didn't build the gun right? Absolutely, it sucks. I'm sure most everyone here, including myself, would agree that Century should have built your C93 and for that matter my C93 right in the first place. But they don't. You did know when you bought it, that this could be a possibility. So you rolled the dice and the dice didn't fall your way. I am truly sorry. I'll be sending mine to Jeff (I have some SDs, and some 53Ks that he needs to get done first) to have a RCM barrel 33K barrel, an extended flash hider, paddle mag release and a AR mag conversion done. If there had been a pay double and have it right to begin with, I would have paid it and been done with it. But there wasn't. You must have wanted a 33 clone or you wouldn't have bought the C93 in the first place. Hey at least they didn't grind the face of your bolt. Good luck with your C93.
Scott
Scott
Jeff and Chop can do a great job on it, but what do they have to work with? Is the trunnion soft? Is the barrel shot out? Ground on parts?
All-in-all I would dispute the charge. Get that settled and let one of them put you together a quality firearm from the start- not rework a piece of garbage.
All-in-all I would dispute the charge. Get that settled and let one of them put you together a quality firearm from the start- not rework a piece of garbage.
None taken.I don't mean to offend you but,
I was just surprised when it came in, that it wasn't usable for a single magazine.You did know when you bought it, that this could be a possibility.
Already had + rollers in it.So buy some +4 rollers and you can shoot it some.
I did, and that's why I got it... just thought I might get a tiny bit of use out of it before it went off for a rebuild.You must have wanted a 33 clone or you wouldn't have bought the C93 in the first place.
C93 = parts kit.. shooting or not is apparently a crap shoot
Century gave me the same customer service and a rifle that has a good bolt gap and shoots great. But, I still have to admit that it is a crapshoot and it all depends upon luck of the draw.sent mine back to cai (failed to eject) they paid return shipping and it took about 2-3 weeks, but they fixed it.
I have 4 that running flawless
two weeks ago I did a 100rds beta mag dump with the the last c93 in full auto and I even used wolf ammo
sorry you didn't get a good one
I would find a differant dealer we only charge $25 for a tranfer no tax
I got one of my c93 for $355 I had to send it back twice but cai made that one right
I would add some +6 rollers in it and see if the fixes it
You can ship it your self back to CAI you don't need a dealer unless they send you a new gun with a diff ser #
ghiliebear will fix right
07ffl 02 sot c2
two weeks ago I did a 100rds beta mag dump with the the last c93 in full auto and I even used wolf ammo
sorry you didn't get a good one
I would find a differant dealer we only charge $25 for a tranfer no tax
I got one of my c93 for $355 I had to send it back twice but cai made that one right
I would add some +6 rollers in it and see if the fixes it
You can ship it your self back to CAI you don't need a dealer unless they send you a new gun with a diff ser #
ghiliebear will fix right
07ffl 02 sot c2
I rolled the dice on a C93 and it was a piece of crap. Bolt gap was a false .018 which fell to .009 after correction. Barrel was installed canted down relative to the receiver causing point of impact to be 10 inches low at 25 yds. Bolt and carrier were impacting the inside of the receiver and bowing it. Shipped the gun back to Century and they replaced it. The replacement is ok.. .015 bolt gap and holding after firing 200+, welds were good, assembly solid and the rifle functions 100% to date. No complaints the second time around so I got lucky.
Send it back to Century... the worst case is you may get an improved parts gun for Jeff to work with. Best case you might get lucky and get a functional rifle back.
my 2
Send it back to Century... the worst case is you may get an improved parts gun for Jeff to work with. Best case you might get lucky and get a functional rifle back.
my 2
Well aren't you special :350:I have 4 that running flawless
two weeks ago I did a 100rds beta mag dump with the the last c93 in full auto and I even used wolf ammo
sorry you didn't get a good one
I would find a differant dealer we only charge $25 for a tranfer no tax
I got one of my c93 for $355 I had to send it back twice but cai made that one right
I would add some +6 rollers in it and see if the fixes it
You can ship it your self back to CAI you don't need a dealer unless they send you a new gun with a diff ser #
ghiliebear will fix right
07ffl 02 sot c2
Did you shoot it yet?
My C93 is awesome, and I don't have a clue what bolt gap is!!!!!!!!!
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My C93 is awesome, and I don't have a clue what bolt gap is!!!!!!!!!
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It's an outrage to see a platform like the hk93, torn down into a P.O.S. Century parts kit!
I realize, "you get what you pay for", but, it's a sad state-of-affairs when a new market, 93 style rifle is outshined by a USED $75 HIGH-POINT 995!
I realize, "you get what you pay for", but, it's a sad state-of-affairs when a new market, 93 style rifle is outshined by a USED $75 HIGH-POINT 995!
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