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I was thinking of this in terms of an MP5, but I suppose this applies to other H&K series as well.

I haven't been out to the range with a shot timer yet, but I'm wondering if there's a faster way to reload then the doctrine method.

The doctrine H&K "Slap" Method:

1) lock cocking knob rearward and up
2) remove empty magazine using paddle
3) replace with fresh magazine and ensure it's seated
4) slap or press cocking knob down and forward


The less sexy, but theoretically faster method:

1) remove empty magazine with paddle
2) replace with fresh magazine and ensure is seated
3) cycle action with a pull and release


Effectively eliminating one step in the process


A possibly even faster method:

1) Withdraw fresh magazine and press paddle with thumb
2) while holding fresh magazine with one finger slightly pull down on empty so it drops free, insert fresh and ensure it's seated
2) cycle action with a pull and release



I've heard H&K instructors teach the slap method even though it wears out the receiver notch over time. Maybe there are other advantages gained at the cost of being a little slower?
 

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#1 is the only method I was trained on and use.

Trying to seat a loaded mag with the working parts forward is tricky, and also invites riding the cocking handle which can lead to other issues.

It appears to me the gun was designed to be loaded the #1 way.

The whole speed of the loading process has long since become a sacred cow in the AR world.

There was never a funeral in Hereford where people stood around the box and said stuff like:

"He was a good mate... If he had only changed that mag a quarter second faster...."
 

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On the MP5 I use both 1 and 2. I try to teach people 1 after I had a friend continually ride the bolt forward and fail to chamber the round properly.

On my Z43P it's all but impossible to seat a loaded magazine with the bolt forward, so it pretty much has to be option 1.
 

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I tried to seat fully loaded mags in my SP5K with the bolt forward...aint happenin. Perhaps if they were downloaded by a round or two. But I'd rather have a full mag and take an extra fraction of second to reload.
 

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Why were HK's designed NOT to have drop free mags ? Or at least ones that don't need pulled out. I mean , what's the point of the AR style button if you can't reach it and the mags don't drop free ?
 

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Why were HK's designed NOT to have drop free mags ? Or at least ones that don't need pulled out. I mean , what's the point of the AR style button if you can't reach it and the mags don't drop free ?


Because they hate you that's why.
 

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Why were HK's designed NOT to have drop free mags ? Or at least ones that don't need pulled out. I mean , what's the point of the AR style button if you can't reach it and the mags don't drop free ?
Huh? Mine drops free.
 

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Back,
Off,
On,
Slap...

I'll post a video later and show you how it's done on a MP5.
 

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All you guys just need to come to our MP5 Operator Course and we'll get you squared away, including the understanding of the "why" behind the action.
 

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Really Ghost reloading is the only way to go, you empty the gun drop it then your buddy who is carrying all your guns throws you another.
 

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If you can reload when the mag is empty and there is still one in the chamber, that helps. But, seriously, the methods you listed seem solid in some cases... Some it wouldn't, for example G36 mags can easily load 31 rounds ( if you're not paying attention or prefer it ) but require the bcg to be locked for them to seat at all, with 30 it takes more force when the bcg is forward but is really easy if the bcg is locked back.

For systems that lock-rearward on last round: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyY4RPhxH8s - there was someone else, maybe this person, that showed with both hands on the weapon at the start and repeats it several times in the video - this indivual also curls the finger inward toward the end although still resting on the outside of the guard ( I prefer finger straight and canted upward because, with more people, it has been pointed out by somone on these forums that it is nice to see clearly through the guard ).

I think all of my HK weapons drop a mag freely without having to tug it out...
 

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With the well used mags I shoot with at the range I am able to get them to lock in on a closed bolt. Then I work the action by fully retracting and letting go so bolt slams home.
 

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Fastest Way to Reload an H&K

Here's a video of how to reload a MP5 that was recently done during a MP5 class James (Marine3030) teaches just a couple of weekends ago.


Correction! It's:
Off,
Back,
On,
Slap (Forward)

Just to add, why "ghost reload" when you can do it for real? And yes, I realize it was a joke. And no, not at your local range. Sign up for a class and do it for real!

That whole wait to the last round nonsense isn't practical.

Loading 31 rounds will lead to your weapon malfunctioning.

I've taken this same class with James 3 times and I can honestly say there has been such a drastic improvement with my shooting. Enough so that I may try my hand at some competition shooting next year.
 
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