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Franklin Armory BFS for Rollers
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Anyone else see this? Should be an awesome substitute for those without sears!
Anyone else see this? Should be an awesome substitute for those without sears!
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I said awhile ago I'd be all over this even though I own a sear. I like this - poor mans fun switch. That said, I agree with TE37 that the unique difference in the manual of arms requires training. I fear that binaries are going to be marked by a few ugly accidents before too long.
This +1^^^^^^^That said, I agree with TE37 that the unique difference in the manual of arms requires training. I fear that binaries are going to be marked by a few ugly accidents before too long.
If you practice manipulating the trigger it's rather easy to pick up and learn. It's purely for "fun" and is a godsend for 3gunners.
I might give it a try depending on price. But doesn't accuracy go away as you have to hold the weapon so loose?
The Fostech ECHO will be coming out for several other platforms as well and seems to be the best of the pull release fire system. I also agree, some bad accidents will remove these from the market possibly one day.
I think there's another post on here somewhere (video) from SHOT regarding this, and compared to the M4 full auto. The guy with the Binary trigger was able to dump a 20 round mag faster that the M4.....and all the person did with the M4, was simply hold the trigger in full auto.....beat by .5 seconds if memory serves correct. AND he was fairly accurate with the Binary trigger.
From what I've read, it's not like a bump-fire system at all. The second shot comes on the release of the trigger, so you can hold the weapon tightly and get: Pull "BANG", release "BANG", repeat as necessary.I might give it a try depending on price. But doesn't accuracy go away as you have to hold the weapon so loose?
I think there's another post on here somewhere (video) from SHOT regarding this, and compared to the M4 full auto. The guy with the Binary trigger was able to dump a 20 round mag faster that the M4.....and all the person did with the M4, was simply hold the trigger in full auto.....beat by .5 seconds if memory serves correct. AND he was fairly accurate with the Binary trigger.
Your memory, HAHAHAHA LMAO!!!
You are correct!! The Fostech Echo allows you to put the gun on Safe with trigger back and then release it and it resets to a pull first again. Much better feature. I am not huge on them but the Echo borrows technologies from several Trigger Manufacturers and they pay royalties to use their technology. Springs from the Hyperfire, something from the FA BFS, etc..From what I've read, it's not like a bump-fire system at all. The second shot comes on the release of the trigger, so you can hold the weapon tightly and get: Pull "BANG", release "BANG", repeat as necessary.
The Franklin Armory BFSiii allows negation of the second round in a binary pair by holding the trigger back, moving the selector to "Semi" or "Safe" and then releasing the trigger. It is not a "bump-fire" system; the operator holds the firearm in the same firm grasp as when firing with a conventional semi-auto trigger.
JNAP94's assertion that the manufacturer of the Echo pays Franklin Armory royalties for the use of any of FA's technology is in error. Regretfully, I cannot elaborate on that statement so please excuse any lack of response on that subject. Neither will I expound on the advantage of one system over the other as that, in my opinion, would be "shilling" and I'm not a shill.
As I have already stated in previous posts for the sake of transparency, I am the Production Manager for FA. I have an MP5 clone in my safe that's currently calling loudly for a binary trigger (I can hear it from here, I swear it!) and FA is moving forward to putting our design for the HK systems into production as quickly as we can while ensuring that customers receive a high quality trigger.
JNAP94's assertion that the manufacturer of the Echo pays Franklin Armory royalties for the use of any of FA's technology is in error. Regretfully, I cannot elaborate on that statement so please excuse any lack of response on that subject. Neither will I expound on the advantage of one system over the other as that, in my opinion, would be "shilling" and I'm not a shill.
As I have already stated in previous posts for the sake of transparency, I am the Production Manager for FA. I have an MP5 clone in my safe that's currently calling loudly for a binary trigger (I can hear it from here, I swear it!) and FA is moving forward to putting our design for the HK systems into production as quickly as we can while ensuring that customers receive a high quality trigger.
I am really interested in getting one of these. Can you share any information about when they'll be out or how much they'll be?FA is moving forward to putting our design for the HK systems into production as quickly as we can while ensuring that customers receive a high quality trigger.
I suspect the M16 in the video is running slow.
A 900 RPM auto will dump a 30rd mag in exactly 2 seconds. My uncle's transferrable M16 actually ran faster than that stock, dumping the mag in a bit over 1.5 seconds. VERY fun
(actually have to wait for the gun to cool after a bit).
Still a fun option in free states- probably no-go for CA unless Franklin proceeds with suing the DOJ.
-Dave
A 900 RPM auto will dump a 30rd mag in exactly 2 seconds. My uncle's transferrable M16 actually ran faster than that stock, dumping the mag in a bit over 1.5 seconds. VERY fun
(actually have to wait for the gun to cool after a bit).Still a fun option in free states- probably no-go for CA unless Franklin proceeds with suing the DOJ.
-Dave
One of the things that is attractive to me about binaries is that on most 233 platforms, I've trained using controlled pairs. With a F/A trigger, that can be tough, even with training - one more thing to think about. With binary triggers, it seems like it would be very natural. I say this before I've had trigger time with them but I own M16, HK and Uzi F/A and have enough rounds down range with allot of different platforms to appreciate the strengths and limitations of F/A. I will make a prediction that we'll see military evaluation of these in the next 5 years - they just make allot of sense for carbines based on the experiences I've had with the alternatives.
I HIGHLY doubt the military is going to look at the binary. They already had a 3-rd burst trigger and dropped it. Semi-auto, controlled-pairs or F/A makes much more sense and has MUCH less chance of an ND during the stress of combat, where people WILL NOT want to be flicking safeties on and off all the time..One of the things that is attractive to me about binaries is that on most 233 platforms, I've trained using controlled pairs. With a F/A trigger, that can be tough, even with training - one more thing to think about. With binary triggers, it seems like it would be very natural. I say this before I've had trigger time with them but I own M16, HK and Uzi F/A and have enough rounds down range with allot of different platforms to appreciate the strengths and limitations of F/A. I will make a prediction that we'll see military evaluation of these in the next 5 years - they just make allot of sense for carbines based on the experiences I've had with the alternatives.
Fair point Steve.I HIGHLY doubt the military is going to look at the binary. They already had a 3-rd burst trigger and dropped it. Semi-auto, controlled-pairs or F/A makes much more sense and has MUCH less chance of an ND during the stress of combat, where people WILL NOT want to be flicking safeties on and off all the time..
I can. We are aiming for the end of the second quarter of this year.I am really interested in getting one of these. Can you share any information about when they'll be out or how much they'll be?
In answer to saki302, unfortunately we can't offer the BFS generally in CA. It sucks, I'm a "CA refugee" and sympathize with the sad fact that almost nothing fun can be had in CA these days.
I presume the roller lock BFS going to replace the whole trigger pack. Is there any particular housing these will or will not work in?I can. We are aiming for the end of the second quarter of this year.
In answer to saki302, unfortunately we can't offer the BFS generally in CA. It sucks, I'm a "CA refugee" and sympathize with the sad fact that almost nothing fun can be had in CA these days.
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