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Hi guys,i am new at the forum and i am looking for help about my HK MP5,is a German factory full auto MP5,can somebody help me with the serial number,can i id the manufacture date,who was sold to or any other history info. I bought it from a Brazilian General who was also a collector.
Csn you help me,any info,details,history,everything is welcome,i love hk guns but i am not a specialist or researcher.
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Take pics of the proof marks.
From the records on the previous owner it is registered in the 70’s but is the only info i have because is the date it was registered.
(Here in Brazil,we collectors,shootsrs and hunters need to have every gun registered and formally transfered from owner to owner)
 

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Quite apart from the early dates on the receiver and bolt head it's obviously a pretty early example just looking at the absence of scope mounting blocks and the filled-in base of the trigger pack housing. Wonderful condition for an MP5 from over half a century ago.
 

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Quite apart from the early dates on the receiver and bolt head it's obviously a pretty early example just looking at the absence of scope mounting blocks and the filled-in base of the trigger pack housing. Wonderful condition for an MP5 from over half a century ago.
Thank you,When do you think it might be made?
The proof marks,what they mesns? I can not even id what image is that..
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It's strange that there is no antler (Ulm proof house) proof mark or German nitro proof mark so far as I can see. But could that be a BWB federal acceptance mark on the barrel where the diameter increases? I hope someone more knowledgeable than me can shed some light on the various less obvious markings.
 

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Thank you,When do you think it might be made?
The proof marks,what they mesns? I can not even id what image is that..
THANK YOU VERY MUCH
July 1970 (from the receiver top 7/70) with a bolt head from June 1969 (6/69) I believe. Hope you find out more.
 

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Proof Marks are small icons on the gun. They are a requirement for certain countries to have an inspection proof mark. Typically you'll see the Ulm Proof House, that's what SRB is talking about.

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The proof marks are either on top of the receiver by the serial numbers and or at the sides, on the barrel might just have the date code and the bolt group.

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Superstar is living up to his name!

I should have added that if it is a BWB mark (and I'm really not sure) it would indicate that your MP5 was accepted into service by the German Federal Office of Defence Technology and Procurement. That might explain the absence of the usual Ulm and German nitro proof marks that are usually found on German made MP5's. If so, that would probably have been for use by the German Border Police (including the GSG9 anti-terrorist special forces) which adopted the MP5 for service in mid-1966 according to page 71 of "Project 64 - the MP5 Submachine Gun Story" by Frank W. James. Although the German Army considered the MP5 earlier in 1966 they kept the MP2 Uzi as their submachine gun possibly for cost and political reasons.

On any basis it's an early and rare specimen and in exceptional condition. Congratulations!

And, by the way it sounds as if Brazilian gun regulation is something many people on this forum would welcome instead of what they actually suffer!
 

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Proof Marks are small icons on the gun. They are a requirement for certain countries to have an inspection proof mark. Typically you'll see the Ulm Proof House, that's what SRB is talking about.

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The proof marks are either on top of the receiver by the serial numbers and or at the sides, on the barrel might just have the date code and the bolt group.

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Superstar is living up to his name!

I should have added that if it is a BWB mark (and I'm really not sure) it would indicate that your MP5 was accepted into service by the German Federal Office of Defence Technology and Procurement. That might explain the absence of the usual Ulm and German nitro proof marks that are usually found on German made MP5's. If so, that would probably have been for use by the German Border Police (including the GSG9 anti-terrorist special forces) which adopted the MP5 for service in mid-1966 according to page 71 of "Project 64 - the MP5 Submachine Gun Story" by Frank W. James. Although the German Army considered the MP5 earlier in 1966 they kept the MP2 Uzi as their submachine gun possibly for cost and political reasons.

On any basis it's an early and rare specimen and in exceptional condition. Congratulations!

And, by the way it sounds as if Brazilian gun regulation is something many people on this forum would welcome instead of what they actually suffer!
Thank you my friend,the army general who sold me the gun was Chief of (SNI )National Inteligence Service in portuguese during the military govt from 1964 to 1989 when we had first direct elevtions. Thr SNI was a central of inteligence against The Comunist Revolutionary Moviments(TERRORISTS).
There was a huge help from USA and also German intel and special forces “teaching” us how to deal with them.One of this comunist groups killed a german military that was giving some kind of support here(never declared what kind of support)
We know that we were completely unprepsred for that kind of fight and USA,Germany,France and Englsnd sent many operators to build from the ground our special forces and training interrogation techniques
Is it possible that this MP5 came for or with one of that training programs?
I saw from other brazilian collector a mahogany case with one MP5 and one HK53 SBR,outside the case there was a dedicatory to the president at that time (Emilio G. Medici) and i saw it and shoot both..,the SET WAS NOT EVEN NUMBERED…(i did not disassembly to see marks)the case dated the dedicatory in 1973
I will ask if he send me some pictures of it and authorize me to post here.
 

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Bem vindo :cool: Please get us some slow-motion footage of you blasting in F/A with Astrud Gilberto playing in the background.

How expensive is ammunition in Brasil? How regulated is it?
 

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Wow that's some nice history and you get to keep it! Chances are that you got one of those mp5 since the source was the director. Cool stuff.
 

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Like 30.000 R$…around 5.000 USD
How much it cost in US?
For a civilian, a registered MP5 (most, if not all are conversions from a semi auto version of the time) are tens of thousands of dollars. $30,000+ depending on many factors is my best guess.

I do not know if there are any civilian legal factory MP5s in the US, only conversions, sears, etc.
 

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Bem vindo :cool: Please get us some slow-motion footage of you blasting in F/A with Astrid Gilberto playing in the background.

How expensive is ammunition in Brasil? How regulated is it?
Ammo is very,very,very expensive and gun laws are very hard,to take a full auto weapon to the range i need a special permit,i have other fulls on my collection and they just authorized 1..like 5-6 years ago,for a specific date,only that day.
To give you an idea,i need carry (unloaded) my guns to the range (if not full auto the permit value for 3 years,ok,however,when you ask a permit….the burocracy is horrible,it takes months…never less than 6 months to be released.
Is very hard to have guns in Brazil…
 

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For a civilian, a registered MP5 (most, if not all are conversions from a semi auto version of the time) are tens of thousands of dollars. $30,000+ depending on many factors is my best guess.

I do not know if there are any civilian legal factory MP5s in the US, only conversions, sears, etc.
O didnt know that…wow…in us i would never be able to have one.
 
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