[alvar]

 

[audiction]

awesome!!!

 

[alvar]

German army tests new machine gun at YPG - Yuma Sun: News

 

[alvar]

 

[TheSteelKnight]

Question is did the Danish army go with the new M60 because of performance or because of price?

 

[DBLAction454]

Dear Santa....

Awesome video. Thing runs so smoothly

 

[Mr.Maim]

Jeez, Yuma Proving Grounds in late July. That is one way to test a firearm (and your troops) in an extreme climate!

Nice post alvar.

 

[Teufelshund Tactical]

Jeez, Yuma Proving Grounds in late July. That is one way to test a firearm (and your troops) in an extreme climate!

Nice post alvar.

Yeah, no joke. Been there, done that.

 

[G3Kurz]

Jeez, Yuma Proving Grounds in late July. That is one way to test a firearm (and your troops) in an extreme climate!

Nice post alvar.

When Ernst Mauch was running the Technical portion of HK GmbH we traveled there each year to test the new products - M320, GMG, MP7, MG4, P46, HK417, etc. It yielded invaluable data on the weapon performance in those extreme conditions.

The M60E6 is a very good gun. Today's M60 is not the 70's era problem plagues, poorly designed "pig" that it once was. US Ordnance knows how to make barrels and assembles a winning weapon. As it is an offshoot of the A3 and A4 designed to be capable of shoulder firing versus the HK gun designed as a more GPMG, I suspect that the troops preferred the lighter weight and less bulky M60. Cost was likely a factor as well. The US Ordnance factory outside Reno is impressive, a tribute to the finest US production.
G3Kurz

 

[FS1]

I think the M60 has some German heritage in it.

 

[M995]

When Ernst Mauch was running the Technical portion of HK GmbH we traveled there each year to test the new products - M320, GMG, MP7, MG4, P46, HK417, etc. It yielded invaluable data on the weapon performance in those extreme conditions.

The M60E6 is a very good gun. Today's M60 is not the 70's era problem plagues, poorly designed "pig" that it once was. US Ordnance knows how to make barrels and assembles a winning weapon. As it is an offshoot of the A3 and A4 designed to be capable of shoulder firing versus the HK gun designed as a more GPMG, I suspect that the troops preferred the lighter weight and less bulky M60. Cost was likely a factor as well. The US Ordnance factory outside Reno is impressive, a tribute to the finest US production.
G3Kurz

Thanks for the info on the M60E6. I know very little about the M60. One of the documents on the everyspec website (I googled it again but could not find the link to the document) said the older variants of the M60 had a MRBF of only 4444 rounds, is this similar to the figures you have seen for the old M60 variants? Also, one of the posters on the soldiersystems comment section said the older variants of the M60 had only 10-15K receiver life (U.S. Ordnance M60E6 Wins Royal Danish Army GPMG Replacement Program - Soldier Systems Daily), do you know if that round count is accurate? Thanks.

 

[M995]

I think the M60 has some German heritage in it.

Did the M60 share a similar feed cover, trigger group and stamped sheet steel receiver construction with the MG42?

 

[alvar]

 

[alvar]

Live Firing the HK121/MG5: The German Army?s New Universalmaschinengewehr

 

[alvar]

 

[alvar]

 

[hauptfeldwebel]

The MG5 (HK121) is also having a lot of controversy here (like the G36). They bought about 13,000 of them for a pricetag of €200 million. Apparently they are not compatible with current tripods (which was to be expected) but also do not fit any of the vehicles, costing millions (€46.6million) to get those mounts to replace. Initially they did plan to get that to fit with minor adjustments. Additionally, the coating apparently does NOT like salt water (which weapon system does?) and is very sensitive to corrosion.

The deliveries to the Bundeswehr have also been delayed as they are ought to sort accuracy issues (POI shifts) after the barrel change, so instead of the planned adoption in 2015 it took until late 2016 to get them delivered.

Imho it's still a very good GPMG though, a lot better than the old, worn out MG3s.

 

[alvar]

Any info if its going to replace the coaxially mounted MG4 in the Puma SPz? Maybe in the new Leopard 2A7+ too?

 

[khanda]

Is it just me or does this thing really look like a M240? I wonder if they just built off that platform like they did the with the 416s on M16s

It’s just you. That gun doesn’t look anything like an M240, in any variant.


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[hauptfeldwebel]

@alvar, one of the planned improvements for the SPz Puma;

Statt des bislang vorgesehenen Maschinengewehrs MG4 mit dem Kaliber 5,56mm soll ein leistungstärkeres Maschinengewehr mit dem Kaliber 7,62mm genutzt werden. Noch im Oktober ist die Entscheidung geplant, ob eine Waffe von Rheinmetall oder von Heckler&Koch genutzt werden soll, der Vertrag darüber wird voraussichtlich 2018 abgeschlossen. Allerdings wird das neue MG frühestens ab 2020 eingerüstet.
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An more potent 7.62x51 MG should be used, instead of the currently planned MG4 in 5.56x45. The decision if it will be a Rheinmetall or HK product should be taken in October. This agreement will most likely be signed in 2018. The new MG will be fielded as of 2020 at the earliest.

So basically they are talking Rheinmetall MG3-KWS / MG14Z vs Heckler&Koch MG5. Given the stock of spares/training material and vehicle mounts I would not be surprised if they would keep vehicle mounted MG3s.

More SPz Puma under Noch viel Nachbesserungsbedarf beim ?modernsten Schützenpanzer der westlichen Welt? : Augen geradeaus though I'm to lazy to translate everything.