It is safe. I have the light LEM on both of my HK45c. Just be sure to put plenty of rounds down range to ensure you are comfortable with the LEM trigger. It takes some getting use to. Now all of my HKs have the light LEM, and I love it. Search the forum on the LEM and a lot of your questions will be answered.
HK 45c Light LEM - Is it safe and legal as CCW?
While many people converted their HK 45c from DA/SA to LEM, I think there's a factory light LEM trigger available with no control lever. Not sure how long it takes to get it from HK.
Is it safe to carry an HK 45c light LEM without safety as CCW? Thanks.
Is it safe to carry an HK 45c light LEM without safety as CCW? Thanks.
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it is as safe as the person operating the gun. train with the platform you choose to carry. but i guess this is what you are asking so here are some points:
the light lem trigger still has a deliberate pull before the gun will fire. it is not a hair trigger.
under stress the light smooth pull means one is less likely to jerk the trigger and send an errant round off.
the light lem trigger still has a deliberate pull before the gun will fire. it is not a hair trigger.
under stress the light smooth pull means one is less likely to jerk the trigger and send an errant round off.
I had HK convert my HK45C to light LEM. Invoice shows 5lb trigger pull. I prefer training with one consistent trigger weight. No safety issues with a quality holster. The HK45C is my EDC.
I carry a light LEM HK45c as well. Haven't seen a HK4c coming from factory with Light LEM but what do I know?
I have not seen one either.TooSixy said:Haven't seen a HK45c coming from factory with Light LEM but what do I know?
Wow...nice pics Rhino!! I'm gonna have to find someone with an LEM so I can try it out!Yup.
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Sorry, and no offense, but I don't think photos of some dude's rig is legit advice on whether it's a good idea (legally or otherwise) to carry a sub-5# trigger on a self-defense gun. Do what you're comfortable with, but you'll be the one talking to the DA after you hot some dude at 2am.
I'll post a link to a very similar thread on another forum later (on mobile now).
I'll post a link to a very similar thread on another forum later (on mobile now).
And I guess I should amend my response... Directly related to "is it safe," yes I think so, if we're talking about NDs. I don't think a pound or two will really make the difference in the likelihood of an ND, especially with the long take-up of the LEM trigger. But again, that's your comfort level.
This is completely unrelated to the legal aspects of carrying a light/modified trigger on a self-defense weapon in an age where DGU is under the microscope and some prosecutor could be having a **** week or be anti when you find yourself in the eye of the law. Can you imagine what the media/prosecutors would do if Zimmerman was found to have modified his Keltec to have a 4.5# trigger? "Cold blooded killer, just waiting to kill someone!"
This is completely unrelated to the legal aspects of carrying a light/modified trigger on a self-defense weapon in an age where DGU is under the microscope and some prosecutor could be having a **** week or be anti when you find yourself in the eye of the law. Can you imagine what the media/prosecutors would do if Zimmerman was found to have modified his Keltec to have a 4.5# trigger? "Cold blooded killer, just waiting to kill someone!"
Maybe I'm wrong,but I don't think I have ever seen a law on "legal" trigger weight. As far as safe? As safe as your brain allows!
There is no law. That's the hard thing You take your chances AFTER you have to use your weapon. Doesn't matter how BA and operator you think you are, or how "clean" you think your shoot was. A prosectutor will decide that for you. Will post more later.
Mmkay. So what to you say to 5 lb Glocks and M&Ps?Sorry, and no offense, but I don't think photos of some dude's rig is legit advice on whether it's a good idea (legally or otherwise) to carry a sub-5# trigger on a self-defense gun. Do what you're comfortable with, but you'll be the one talking to the DA after you hot some dude at 2am.
I'll post a link to a very similar thread on another forum later (on mobile now).
So what do you think a manual safety will do for you after the shoot? If it is a 'good shoot' per the DA, he isn't gonna care what you used. If its a bad shoot, a manual safety isn't gonna help your case any.There is no law. That's the hard thing You take your chances AFTER you have to use your weapon. Doesn't matter how BA and operator you think you are, or how "clean" you think your shoot was. A prosectutor will decide that for you. Will post more later.
Looking forward with baited breath for your smoking gun case...
Zimmerman is where he is due to the gray matter (or lack thereof) between his ears. Has nothing to do with the gun he carried.Can you imagine what the media/prosecutors would do if Zimmerman was found to have modified his Keltec to have a 4.5# trigger? "Cold blooded killer, just waiting to kill someone!"
Best thing to do after a SD shooting is talk to your attorney.
Training - get some. Any gun will do if you will do!!!
Of coarse I choose one from HK.
Sent from my Thunderbolt in the future, using SkyNet
Of coarse I choose one from HK.
Sent from my Thunderbolt in the future, using SkyNet
I absolutely agree, a good shoot is a good shoot. A questionable shoot is questionable because of poor decision making, and any and everything can potentially be made an issue by a DA.Zimmerman is where he is due to the gray matter (or lack thereof) between his ears. Has nothing to do with the gun he carried.
Best thing to do after a SD shooting is talk to your attorney.
If you're concerned about legal issues, just don't carry. Period.
You're already going to have issues with pulling a trigger on another living human being. Add into that the doubts when you ask yourself "will I end up in court for doing this" will likely get you and/or someone else killed. I can actually answer that question for you: YES! Absolutely, without a shadow of a doubt, you will end up 'splainin' yourself to a judge. Even if you don't end up in a criminal trial defending your actions, the civil suits will rain down on you. That won't matter if you have a 12# DAO with an external safety, or a 2# SA pull.
The only way that trigger pull weight becomes an issue, is if you "accidently" shoot someone. Honestly, trigger weight shouldn't be a consideration in that, but many courts have seen it that way, and a precendence has been established. It's the main reason why a lot of LE agencies have 8# or more. You're really better off talking to a local attorney who has experience in your local area, district/state/etc. than asking in here, though. Don't forget to talk to your insurance agent while you're at it.
Please don't bring the Zimmerman case into this. Most of us wouldn't know who he or Martin were, if it hadn't been for a biased, sensational, media exploitation. Let's allow the court to make the decision on whether or not his grey matter was lacking, rather than passing judgement based on what the media has fed us.
You're already going to have issues with pulling a trigger on another living human being. Add into that the doubts when you ask yourself "will I end up in court for doing this" will likely get you and/or someone else killed. I can actually answer that question for you: YES! Absolutely, without a shadow of a doubt, you will end up 'splainin' yourself to a judge. Even if you don't end up in a criminal trial defending your actions, the civil suits will rain down on you. That won't matter if you have a 12# DAO with an external safety, or a 2# SA pull.
The only way that trigger pull weight becomes an issue, is if you "accidently" shoot someone. Honestly, trigger weight shouldn't be a consideration in that, but many courts have seen it that way, and a precendence has been established. It's the main reason why a lot of LE agencies have 8# or more. You're really better off talking to a local attorney who has experience in your local area, district/state/etc. than asking in here, though. Don't forget to talk to your insurance agent while you're at it.
Please don't bring the Zimmerman case into this. Most of us wouldn't know who he or Martin were, if it hadn't been for a biased, sensational, media exploitation. Let's allow the court to make the decision on whether or not his grey matter was lacking, rather than passing judgement based on what the media has fed us.
These are the threads I hate more than anything. As long as the shoot was good, you don't have anything to worry about.
With that said, I know there have been cases in the past where people were convicted because of stupid prosecutors. That was then and this is now. Also there are a few other things that I would warn people about. TMK there are no state laws that specifically say you are not able to modify your weapon only sited case interpretations.
Having "evil looking" engravings or sayings like "Smile Cock ***" or some derogatory racial slur are bad juju IMO only. These things can show an intent to behavior, aggressiveness or disregard for life or specific groups if you are forced to use your weapon.
Remember to know your rights, SHUT UP, and other than saying, "I was in fear of my life and Here is the evidence" keep you mouth shut until you have a mouthpiece.
All my guns are modified, to include trigger work and custom serrations for easier manipulations. These things help me be a better and more responsible shooter. There purpose is to help cut down on the likelihoods of mis fires or friendly fire.
With that said, I know there have been cases in the past where people were convicted because of stupid prosecutors. That was then and this is now. Also there are a few other things that I would warn people about. TMK there are no state laws that specifically say you are not able to modify your weapon only sited case interpretations.
Having "evil looking" engravings or sayings like "Smile Cock ***" or some derogatory racial slur are bad juju IMO only. These things can show an intent to behavior, aggressiveness or disregard for life or specific groups if you are forced to use your weapon.
Remember to know your rights, SHUT UP, and other than saying, "I was in fear of my life and Here is the evidence" keep you mouth shut until you have a mouthpiece.
All my guns are modified, to include trigger work and custom serrations for easier manipulations. These things help me be a better and more responsible shooter. There purpose is to help cut down on the likelihoods of mis fires or friendly fire.
+1 I agreeIf you're concerned about legal issues, just don't carry. Period.
You're already going to have issues with pulling a trigger on another living human being. Add into that the doubts when you ask yourself "will I end up in court for doing this" will likely get you and/or someone else killed. I can actually answer that question for you: YES! Absolutely, without a shadow of a doubt, you will end up 'splainin' yourself to a judge. Even if you don't end up in a criminal trial defending your actions, the civil suits will rain down on you. That won't matter if you have a 12# DAO with an external safety, or a 2# SA pull.
The only way that trigger pull weight becomes an issue, is if you "accidently" shoot someone. Honestly, trigger weight shouldn't be a consideration in that, but many courts have seen it that way, and a precendence has been established. It's the main reason why a lot of LE agencies have 8# or more. You're really better off talking to a local attorney who has experience in your local area, district/state/etc. than asking in here, though. Don't forget to talk to your insurance agent while you're at it.
Please don't bring the Zimmerman case into this. Most of us wouldn't know who he or Martin were, if it hadn't been for a biased, sensational, media exploitation. Let's allow the court to make the decision on whether or not his grey matter was lacking, rather than passing judgement based on what the media has fed us.
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