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Hello all,
Just wanting to know how you all feel about the standard HK 51/53 models, either pistol or long guns, even SBRs, compared to the 'K' models. Standard semi-auto, FA, different firing characteristics. Which of the standard or K version has; more muzzle rise, recoil, accuracy rating, difference in ammo performance, personal preference of shooting. Which one is more FUN?!! Any other fun facts you would like to share with a newer HK fan regarding these different models? Looking at purchasing my first HK, want to make the right choice. :)

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Hello all,
Just wanting to know how you all feel about the standard HK 51/53 models, either pistol or long guns, even SBRs, compared to the 'K' models. Standard semi-auto, FA, different firing characteristics. Which of the standard or K version has; more muzzle rise, recoil, accuracy rating, difference in ammo performance, personal preference of shooting. Which one is more FUN?!! Any other fun facts you would like to share with a newer HK fan regarding these different models? Looking at purchasing my first HK, want to make the right choice. :)

Thanks!
I have no experience with the k models. If you want to know about ks call Ghillebear2000 aka as Jeff Walters. This guy knows ks.

As far as .223 or .308 the 51s are a ton of fun. About the same muzzle blast as a .50, but with less kick than a full size G3/Hk91/clone. The shorter barrels means less dwell time, so recoils is less. My 51 was built by Jayson Cotter/ IGF Firearms, and works well with any .308 or NATO surplus ammo. The V51s seem to run well too, as you can see here:

.308 drum dump II - YouTube

I shot this video; my buddy was testing his Allied Armament 50 round drum, along with his Vector Arms V51SBR with a sear. Ammo was Aussie, and FMP/Port. It works great as you can see no stopages.

I Love Las Vegas! Looking to make a move west. Life is too short anymore to shovel snow and drop dead of a heart attack.
 

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Hello all,
Just wanting to know how you all feel about the standard HK 51/53 models, either pistol or long guns, even SBRs, compared to the 'K' models. Standard semi-auto, FA, different firing characteristics. Which of the standard or K version has; more muzzle rise, recoil, accuracy rating, difference in ammo performance, personal preference of shooting. Which one is more FUN?!! Any other fun facts you would like to share with a newer HK fan regarding these different models? Looking at purchasing my first HK, want to make the right choice. :)

Thanks!
No k's yet here. However, if you have or are getting a sear, then would start with one 223 and one 9mm, leave the 308 for later (actually I got my sears for the HK91 but ..... ;-). I always have been partial to the HK53 with a sear, as apart of a pair with a MP5, plus a full size HK93, however, as I fill in the spots with the 33K, 23eK etc. at times can see a nice spot for the 53K instead of the 53 (but first a 52x with the drum cut ;-).

If it was me and did not have plans for a sear ;-( and was only getting one SBR HK, might go with a G3K or 33K. Most days can't see much use for pistol rifles unless it is a sear host.
 

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I started with a 53 with a sear, my favorite is the 9mm mp5. I agree with the above post. For your first gun I would stick with 9mm or .223. Ammo is cheaper than 308. If you sbr then a mp5 or 53 type is hard to beat. If you are getting a sear if I had it to do over again I would have gotten the 9mm mp5
 

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308 in all forms has more recoil than 223
In most cases longer barrels seem to have more rise to me.. but that may be one of perspective.... i.e. it looks like more rise rather than being more rise.

I really like my 53 the best out of all the clones I've got.

Which one is more FUN?!!
The one with the sear.

Any other fun facts you would like to share with a newer HK fan regarding these different models? Looking at purchasing my first HK, want to make the right choice. :)
Well if you get into H&K's its an easy choice to make from the above... you'll eventually own them all. =)
 

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51 , 53 .....

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as above...the one with a sear trumps all.

next up i enjoy the 53 the most as do the majority of folks i take shooting. very controllable, etc. i'd rec' a 53 to anyone as a first hk style gun.

the 51 is violent as hell and is kinda a fireball circus act. see pic. it's a plugs n muffs type of gun for me.

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View attachment 6096 The 51 is violent as hell and is kinda a fireball circus act. see pic. it's a plugs n muffs type of gun for me.
+1

51's are nice for mag dumps, impressing/scaring friends/neighbors, but its much like riding a bull, you don't so much enjoy it as survive it.

Oh, remember to keep your mouth closed... a 51 will hurt your ears from the other side equally well. Don't ask me how I know.
 

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Had a V53P then added a 51P. The .308 full auto gives tatoo's at no extra charge. I later sold it & picked up a CA89K-9mm & lots of fun BUT then I got wind of the 53K so I sold the 53P to get it. Wow is it a blast & the fireball is gorgeous! Very easy to control full auto with that 5" barrel.

I vote for the 53K!
 

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My 53k is my favorite sear host ...... it is crazy fast ...love shooting it with friends sear pack .
Have 51k on the way !!!!!
Have shot a couple 51k with 50rd drum FA ..... better hold on .
 

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Hello all,
Just wanting to know how you all feel about the standard HK 51/53 models, either pistol or long guns, even SBRs, compared to the 'K' models. Standard semi-auto, FA, different firing characteristics. Which of the standard or K version has; more muzzle rise, recoil, accuracy rating, difference in ammo performance, personal preference of shooting. Which one is more FUN?!! Any other fun facts you would like to share with a newer HK fan regarding these different models? Looking at purchasing my first HK, want to make the right choice. :)

Thanks!
First of all, welcome to the forum. Since you live here in Vegas, I'll mention that when I bought my Coharie Arms CA53 AR (that is a 53 that uses AR mags instead of HK mags), I bought it into the Metro Police Station with a CA89-40 ( pistol MP5 clone in .40 S&W), CA89K with a full size receiver ("K" length barrel and cocking tube on a full size receiver pistol so I can use the HK 94 stocks I already have), and a CA89 SD (pistol MP5 SD clone) to register them. For those of you that don't know Clark County Nevada requires that all "pistols" be registered to the owner and a "blue card" is issued. A LEO can ask for the "blue card" if you have your pistol with you. Long guns are not required to be registered. I had to put the pistol caliber guns in the revolving plexiglass turn table at an angle to get them to fit. Without the can the SD barely fit. The officer had to come out and get the CA53 AR because it wouldn't fit. He also had to get other officers involved because he couldn't find Coharie Arms brand name in his master book of handguns.

I guess my question to you is, what do you find fun? As posted above, some like the big flash and concussion of .308. Others like the milder recoil of .223 (I'm with that crowd). The shorter the barrel, the more powder is still burning and lower recoil. I was breaking in these pistols (I'm fortunate enough to have a registered sear), so I did try shooting them as they were shipped. I have to say that 9mm was much more pleasant to shoot as a pistol. The CA89K w/ FS was the easiest as it was the smallest. But IMHO none of them were fun to shoot that way. The CA53 AR was the most unpleasant. A rifle caliber firearm shot in my hands has never been fun for me. With my sear installed I can add a stock. They are so much more fun that way.

Neither .223 or .308 were designed with an eight or five inch barrel in mind. Accuracy will be poor compared to a full size rifle barrel. If you plan to register as a SBR then this could be something a little different. But as a pistol, I don't think any of them would become your favorite "go to pistol" unless you love your pistols to be big and heavy with lots of flash. BTW, if you were to shoot it at night, you'd be blinded by the flash for several seconds even if the was a light source. YMMV.

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Wow guys!!! Thanks so much for all the replies!! I'm definitely staying on this forum for good.
After reading all of the posts at least 3 times each, I think I've decided that I want to go with a 'K' model of whichever firearm I choose to buy/build. After reading about how some of you wanted to go to the K version even after buying the standard version, it makes me want to start out with a K version. I do think that I will be SBR'ing the weapon, so like some stated about the 51 being a monster to shoot, with a stock stuck on the back, I think it would be a bit more managable/fun (at least for this skinny farmboy)!! Besides, some of us like big fireballs....bright side is: no need to waste a flashbang :)
The sad part is, I dont think I will ever be lucky enough to acquire a sear. You guys must be sitting on stacks of money, if your paying 12.5k for one of those little pieces of heaven. ;) But that's cool, I'll just learn to accept my current situation.
Now for kind of a narrative of what I am looking at purchasing. From the posts, the 53k definitely looks like a hell of alot of fun, especially with not as much recoil/expense as the 51k. However, I am looking for a short little CQC type of gun that I would carry in the 'SHTF' situation, and since I already have an FN Scar 17, I was thinking about going with the 51k, just because it uses the same round. Cause as far as I can tell, if a person is going to carry several guns, the more guns they have of the same caliber the better right? If you have a better reason why I should get a 53k instead, I'd love to hear it!!
Also I am really looking forward to getting into reloading, especially in the .308 caliber. Does anyone know how a 51 does with reloaded ammo? Maybe that's like a taboo thing, hope not, but I'm too new to the HK world to know.

Ghilliebear. Definitely going to give you a call about a set up. Working the night shift right now so its a struggle. But by the way, your youtube videos are INSANE!!! :)

For those of you who live in/love Vegas: its the place to be for sure. Got stationed there last year and I couldn't ask for a better place to live, for this part of my life anyways!
 

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I have shot an original H&K 53 quite a bit, and I used a H&K 33k as a work gun for several years, as well as 16" AR's and the AR Commando as work guns.

So I am familar with short barreled 223/5.56mm's.

From a practical, using stand point I never had any problem hitting a mansized target to 300 yards with the short barreled guns.
Rhey are very handy for entry, and for carry and deployment from a vehicle. With Soft Point/Ballistic Tip ammo they are very effective as well.

The 33k and the 14 and 15" AT's are great for indoor/outdoor longer range combined use.

The shorter guns do have more muzzle flash/boom, but it never bothered me. I liked them.

My thoughts are the H&K 53 is the same size as a MP5, and the 223 with commercial expanding ammo is MUCH more effective than 9mm ammo.

However for a civilian, that will not be doing entries I think the 33k is a better pick, as a rifle for serious use.

But for FUN FACTOR the short barreled H&K's are certainly a BUNCH OF FUN. I have a buddy that has a H&K 51, and a 51k [yes the 308], and they are a BLAST [pardon the pun] to shoot. They are a lot of fun.
 

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Wow guys!!! Thanks so much for all the replies!! I'm definitely staying on this forum for good.
After reading all of the posts at least 3 times each, I think I've decided that I want to go with a 'K' model of whichever firearm I choose to buy/build. After reading about how some of you wanted to go to the K version even after buying the standard version, it makes me want to start out with a K version. I do think that I will be SBR'ing the weapon, so like some stated about the 51 being a monster to shoot, with a stock stuck on the back, I think it would be a bit more managable/fun (at least for this skinny farmboy)!! Besides, some of us like big fireballs....bright side is: no need to waste a flashbang :)
The sad part is, I dont think I will ever be lucky enough to acquire a sear. You guys must be sitting on stacks of money, if your paying 12.5k for one of those little pieces of heaven. ;) But that's cool, I'll just learn to accept my current situation.
Now for kind of a narrative of what I am looking at purchasing. From the posts, the 53k definitely looks like a hell of alot of fun, especially with not as much recoil/expense as the 51k. However, I am looking for a short little CQC type of gun that I would carry in the 'SHTF' situation, and since I already have an FN Scar 17, I was thinking about going with the 51k, just because it uses the same round. Cause as far as I can tell, if a person is going to carry several guns, the more guns they have of the same caliber the better right? If you have a better reason why I should get a 53k instead, I'd love to hear it!!
Also I am really looking forward to getting into reloading, especially in the .308 caliber. Does anyone know how a 51 does with reloaded ammo? Maybe that's like a taboo thing, hope not, but I'm too new to the HK world to know.

Ghilliebear. Definitely going to give you a call about a set up. Working the night shift right now so its a struggle. But by the way, your youtube videos are INSANE!!! :)

For those of you who live in/love Vegas: its the place to be for sure. Got stationed there last year and I couldn't ask for a better place to live, for this part of my life anyways!

From what you have stated I think a H&K 51 [the 308] would be a great choice for you. I have shot one a fair amount with a regular H&K stock as well as the retractable stock.

I did not fine it uncomfortable to shoot at all. I liked it. It was accurate and typically H&K reliable. It is Bad to the Bone.:52:
 

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From what you have stated I think a H&K 51 [the 308] would be a great choice for you. I have shot one a fair amount with a regular H&K stock as well as the retractable stock.

I did not fine it uncomfortable to shoot at all. I liked it. It was accurate and typically H&K reliable. It is Bad to the Bone.:52:
That is the tough thing about getting subjective opinions to make a decision. Recoil like sound levels from a can, are just one guy's opinion. What is "pellet gun" quiet to one guy, is too loud without hearing protection to another. Go to some shoots and bring some ammo. Especially if you have factory ammo, reloads are iffy, most guys would be more than happy to let you try what they have. Try some of these models for yourself. That way you can base your purchase on what you liked rather than what you heard someone else likes. Good luck with your purchase.

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I'll offer my opinion of these things though most won't like it.
53, 53k and their 7.62 counter parts are worthless from any practical standpoint and an ultimate waste of a dwindling pool of unmolested original HK civie weapons. Ok, so the clone market will fill that gap. But is it worth the loss of hearing?
To use a rifle round in that short of a barrel defeats the rounds potential so why not use handgun calibers and save piles of cash on ammo to do the exact same thing without the fireball and noise?
To each their own and it's nice that folks have the capital to blow on sears and heaps of ammo. Obviously I'm no fan of the guns but don't hold ill feellings towards those that do. It just doesn't make sense to me.
And besides, if that's what it takes to get a woodie, Viagra has to be much cheaper.
 

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I have the 33k, 53, and now the G3k. I don't have the 51. But for me if you are not interested in a mp5 type weapon, my choice would be between the 33k and 53. Now I have a 93 that was converted into a 53 so I am partial to that gun. Depends on what you want to do in the end and from reading your posts looks like the 33k is a good fit for you. You can have one built at a reasonable price off a 33 kit and have a really nice weapon, the 53 if done right will cost more. If I had to choose my first gun and it could not be a mp5 I would choose the 53. Love that gun, its form and function, but my 33k that Gilliebear built for me has been flawless through 500 rounds so far and with my sear pack and a A3 stock is really nice. The 308 guns I have but do not shoot much, I think in the end you will be much happier with the .223 platform, and for now I would stay away from the k type guns, (no real reason, just think you would be happier with the 33k or 53). And if cost is an issue you can get a 33k built right for a pretty good price.
 

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To use a rifle round in that short of a barrel defeats the rounds potential so why not use handgun calibers and save piles of cash on ammo to do the exact same thing without the fireball and noise?
That __IS__ the exact reason we do it. We like the flash, and boom.

To each their own and it's nice that folks have the capital to blow on sears and heaps of ammo. Obviously I'm no fan of the guns but don't hold ill feellings towards those that do.
Sears are WAAAY Cheaper than boating habits the co-workers have.
My weekend ammo budget on a per-month basis is less than the golfers in membership and greens fees.

It just doesn't make sense to me. And besides, if that's what it takes to get a woodie, Viagra has to be much cheaper.
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