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I would like to say that this is my first post here and that i do own HK 91,93 rifles.

I have been wanting to buy an HK53 for some time and i am having a hard time finding info on them.

I wanted to know what one would cost with and without the burst pack and who can you recommend to me to purchase a high quality collectable rifle from?

What part(s) are prone to breakage on them so i can stock up on parts and so on?

Are they particular to a certain type of ammo to fire or not?

Thanks for the help people !!
 

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A couple of quick questions, while I am assuming your are looking for a full auto transferable HK53, are you looking for a factor new one for the collection (i.e. must have all German parts including the barrel, matching date codes etc.) or one to shoot (i.e. a good cut down barrel etc.)?

Most all of the HK53's were converted from an HK93 by one of the HK Smiths and were re-finished (aka painted ;-) after the conversion. As such, you can make many of the HK53's out there look "new" by sending out for refinish next winter after you have fired it for a while.

The expensive part is the sear (or registered trigger pack in a few cases) at a over a dozen grand*. A nice HK53 host gun goes for over another four or five plus grand* (assuming A3 stock, 1 in 7 twist barrel, paddle mag release, correct cocking tube, bolt carrier and muzzle threading - plus if the barrel, carrier, cocking tube is cut down or from an HK53).

Besides the standard extractor springs, extractor and rollers, plate and pins (all that is really needed for mos of the guys ;-), one should have a firing pin & spring, ejector and spring (easy to loose), recoil spring assembly plus a couple of push pins and maybe a stock buffer. For really long term maybe a barrel (getting hard to get and is a wear item) and full bolt and carrier assembly ..... but I tend to like extra parts ;-)

* No one is the group has purchased an HK53 retail for the last couple years (all the ones have been good buys due to the seller needing cash ASAP), so will let the a few of the other guys bring you up to current retail prices. However, with the current market, there is a chance to find a sear and/or host with a little looking.
 

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I do realize that these guns are rare and somewhat difficult to acquire so i am willing to be flexible on it.

It is just that i do not want to end up with some frankenstein cut up piece of garbage that will only give me problems in the future.

I guess i want to do it right the first time with little to no regrets on my purchase, the gun will not be fired very much either but an appreciation in the price i assume is automatic due to the rarity?
 

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I do realize that these guns are rare and somewhat difficult to acquire so i am willing to be flexible on it.

It is just that i do not want to end up with some frankenstein cut up piece of garbage that will only give me problems in the future.

I guess i want to do it right the first time with little to no regrets on my purchase, the gun will not be fired very much either but an appreciation in the price i assume is automatic due to the rarity?
Well.... it WILL be by necessity a Frankenstein cut-up piece, but whether or not it's garbage depends greatly on who does it. To convert a 93 into a 53, the cocking tube must be cut off of both the 93 and the 53 kit, and re-welded back on to the 93 receiver. The barrels must be swapped (or some use the trunnion from the 53 and weld it into the 93 receiver). And a small hole must be drilled through the 93 to mount the paddle mag lever.

If done right, it will be indistinguishable from an original HK53. But make no mistake, there is a lot of cutting and welding that must be done. The price is high because the HK53 kits are getting very hard to come by.

Oh, I've got an extra kit if you want it. $2200, or make an offer. It's a complete kit with 0-1-25 trigger pack and A2 stock.
 

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Are you looking for an absolutely authentic, made by Germany factory HK53, or are you looking for something that you are going to be shooting and you really don't care whether or not it is an HK factory piece?

The difference in price is substantial.

Check out these options, if Gordon sells them they will run.

http://www.hkspecialist.net/title1.htm
 

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The retail price of the sear has tended to go up in the last couple dozen years, with a few bumps. However, if the laws are ever changed the retail price can drop to "zero" (for those of us wanting to keep shooting the "value" may be actually higher ... for the short term).

If the economy goes very soft, lots of the shooter grade guns may dip in price, some of the really nice older guns (i.e. 98% Colt Thomson) may hold their price (different group buying the guns). Plus some of this might rub off on the nicer HKs, such as a nice push pin MP5 or possible a quality HK53 sear gun by a famous HK smith (not many push pin transferable .223's that I have seen, however, will let one of the HK experts jump in here). The "shooter grade" HK sear guns, while nice guns, are not at this time at the same collection point for many of the guys (in particular the older ones ;-) due to the HKs being newer and the sear guns were not totally made by the factory as machine guns - even the push pin guns have been converted (note the same guys with he nice Thomson, typically have a MP5 and HK53 or two to shoot ;-).

For an "investment" point of view (always marginal due to risk from changing laws) buying a couple of Flemming or Qualified sears "new from the ring" would possible be a better option than one sear and a HK53.

Back to your question, while have seen some of the cut down HK53 that worked fine, sounds like your would be happier with (and can't ever go wrong) with a nice HK53 made from a German factory HK93 using an actual HK53 parts kit to get the correct cocking tube assemble and barrel. I have always been happy with the work done by Terry (not taking new work/clients) and Urbach has made good guns, however, there are several other / newer HK smiths that are also good (just no personnel experience being from the $1K sear days myself).

If your are ready now to purchase, put up a few want to buy ads on the various boards, check with a couple of the major NFA dealers and ask around. Something should come up (cash in hand always helps).

Update - a nice clean option is the previous posters link to HK53 from Gordon (who is also one of the leading parts suppliers). Which only requires you to track down a sear (this might be a good time to pick up a MP5 also with the sear ;-).


Good Luck
 

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Like i said, i have an original hk 93 already but i do not know if i should cut this one up to make an hk 53 or not?

I understand the welding and all that stuff, it's just that i don't want to end up with a gun with a cheesy transformation that looks like crap.

I wanted to know who can make these hk 53's but do a really good top notch job and how much?
 

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Murray Urbach. Hands down the greatest HK smith out there. Lots of works puts him behind sometimes. Don't expect it in a year but do expect to pay around 6 grand for just the weapon. I have a Fleming H sear set up in a 4 pos pack. I used to run and Urbach 33K but decided to beat up a Vector 53 instead. I have not had any problems with the Vector. I have been very pleased. Invest in the sear and save your money for more Clone Host is the way I say to go. But what do I know???? ;) , GYZ
 

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GYZ, that's exactly what I'm doing now.
Brought fleming sear and ordered 3 Coharie (MP5, MP5K & HK53) for sear host!
Now, I don't have to cry even I drop that gun 2 feet on the concrete! :)
 

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Gordon Rarely updates his website...

Just a heads-up for those that do not know. I saw a mention of the H&K53 that Gordon has had listed (along with other guns) on his web site. That gun along with many others sold years ago and he rarely updates his web site. Several times in the last several years I have inquired about both those guns and numerous parts only to find out that he no longer has them or the prices have gone up from what was posted. Always call him personally (or optionally email him) to find out what he actually has in stock AND what price he is asking for any item.

BTW: H&K53's correctly and well made from real 53 kits usually sell for $1K to 1.5K more than a typical modified 93 version (e.g. an "as-new" Cut 93 host gun to full 53 conversion SBR usually sells for $4.5K to $5K while a true 53 conversion SBR sells for $6K to 6.5K). I own both a RRPP RDTS "Improved" H&K53 made from a cut H&K93 (which uses "modified parts") and a one made from a new H&K93 and new H&K53 post gun (which uses 100% factory 53 parts) . I love them both and they are flawless F/A shooters, but am partial to the one made using all 53 host parts.
 

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Why is it that i was quoted a price of about $23,000 for an HK53?

Is this price way too high or what?

I want to buy something out the door ready to go with the sear and burst pack installed.

This is why i keep asking how much for a 53.

Is it worth me sacrificing my perfectly good HK93 to make a 53 and again i ask out the door what is the ball park i am looking at?

I am new to this stuff and just trying to learn and there is little to no information out there on these NFA guns.

I am not new to guns at all but boy these NFA things sure are different.
 

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Why is it that i was quoted a price of about $23,000 for an HK53?

Is this price way too high or what?

I want to buy something out the door ready to go with the sear and burst pack installed.

This is why i keep asking how much for a 53.

Is it worth me sacrificing my perfectly good HK93 to make a 53 and again i ask out the door what is the ball park i am looking at?

I am new to this stuff and just trying to learn and there is little to no information out there on these NFA guns.

I am not new to guns at all but boy these NFA things sure are different.
HK53:

Sear - ~$14,000
HK93 - ~$2500
HK53 Kit - ~$2000
Conversion labor - ~$1200

Sub-total: $19,700
Premium paid to buy a turn-key HK53 with no waiting: $2,500

Total: $22,200

If you want to save a bunch of money and have time to wait, collect the major components yourself and it will run under $20,000 give or take. If you want it NOW - you can, you just have to pay for it.

Is $23,000 too much? Not if someone buys it. It's more than I would pay, but that's because I have time to wait, and kind of enjoy the collection process of the components to boot.
 

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Notice the price difference on RR and sear guns

http://www.westernfirearms.com/wfc

Scroll to HK 33/53/93
This thread is getting better and better!!

The difference between RR and sear gun means (i Think) that with the "sear gun" you can transfer it to another gun and the other one you cannot?

I imagine that the sear for 53 will only fit another 53 correct?

What are the major advantages/disadvantages to a sear gun versus the rr?
 

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I have a Fleming Sear and I can take the trigger pack out of the 53 and change out the extractor and shoot it in my 91 host or 9mm K or my soon to be MP5/10mm!!! I would go with a Sear Pack rather than a RR unless you have lots of cash for many RR guns, GYZ

And to answer your question: The sear pack will fit on any 90's series weapons with the correct C&P'ed lower, GYZ
 

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This thread is getting better and better!!

The difference between RR and sear gun means (i Think) that with the "sear gun" you can transfer it to another gun and the other one you cannot?

I imagine that the sear for 53 will only fit another 53 correct?

What are the major advantages/disadvantages to a sear gun versus the rr?
GYZ covered all the advantages to the sear - can shoot it on any 9x series weapon.

But there are some advantages for the RR. There are actually 2 types of rr, those that take clip on packs, and those that take swing-down push pin packs. They are the most accurate copy of the factory MGs. One advantage to them is that you can use unmodified factory trigger packs. So if you want a burst pack, you just buy one. Or a Navy pack, or an SEF pack, or a SG1 set trigger pack.

I prefer sears so I can shoot in 9mm, .223, or .308. Others prefer the rr because of the above reasons.
 

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Here you go , this guy has a HK53 built on a HK93 reciever with all original parts by one of the best smiths in the buisness & is as close to a factory HK53 as you will get.
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/webBBS/nfa4sale.cgi?read=97976

If you buy this gun at $5500 which is a good deal all you have to do is buy a sear pack which can be found for as little as $13000 ( and right now is the time to but before prices go up) and the total will be $18500 plus transfer fees. Here is the ad below incase the link does not work.
NFA Market Board

WTS/WTT HK53a3, HK33ka2 hosts...5500-3875 shipped

Posted By: Don in Richmond, VA <[email protected]> (c-68-57-76-39.hsd1.va.comcast.net)
Date: 12/8/07 10:12

WTS/WTT HK53 built factory perfect by TSC Machine. IH date code 93, correct remark, Lauer paint, excellent demilled 53 front end (correct 1/7 bbl, triple tree cocking tube), factory FH, carrier,recoil rod, #15 LP, french a3 stock. Nothing is cut down-perfect in every way. Comes with a c/p semi SEF pack. Unfired since conversion. $5500 shipped. HK33k built factory perfect by TSC Machine. II date code 93, correct remark, Lauer paint, correct 1/7 bbl, grenade ring, factory carrier, a2 stock with thick rubber butt pad. All factory perfect in every way. Comes with a c/p semi SEF pack. 100 rds fired without a hiccup. $3850 shipped. Both guns are on a form 4 in VA. Prefer a trade for a blaster grade M16 RR gun plus cash on my end. The 53 is the first run of the 137 prefix serial # and the 33k is one of the last of the same run. Buy both and we can strike a deal in your favor. Call or email with questions. 804-723-5008. Thanks.
 
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