It’s covered here: Trolling the BKA website.... Has my MR556A1 gripe...

 

Yes…but title can make people wrong, a clear title and a more focused topic is better for a such important products

 

last I heard, we wont get any mr223s before late 2022. hopefully those will be the new version, but who knows.

 

Seriously?
This mean right now hk doesn't produce anymore the MR223 and 308?

 

Since the civilian mr223 and 308 use the same production line as the 416/417 there will be no or very few civilian weapons produced until the major military contracts are filled. The inital batches to france needs to be filled and if the bundeswehr contract defaults to HK I think it will be quite a while before any large scale production runs of the civilian models. Its not that HK doesn't want to sell the civilian ones, they are restricted by the contractual obligations.

French MoD to Order 20,000 Additional Heckler & Koch HK-416 F Rifles in 2021

The French Directorate General for Armaments (DGA) has decided to place an order for 12000 HK-416 F assault rifles in 2021 and will receive an equal number of rifles under an earlier order next year. Another 12,000 HK-416 rifles were delivered in 2020, bringing to 45,340 the number of units...

www.defenseworld.net

 

Yep… I have received a answered from my HK importer here in Italy.
all mr223 and mr308 will be available again next year, they doesn’t know yet if they are already the newer version a4 5 and 6, or the normal A3.
Let’s see

 

NEWS?!
by the way, nothing at the shot show 2022, we hope something fro the 2020 IWA!!!!

somebody have some news?

 

Considering that they're not out yet and probably won't be sold in America anytime very soon (and explained by HKPro that Shot Show still largely caters to the fudds), it wasn't surprising.

Considering that they'll come out in Europe first, the latest stuff could be announced at IWA, which is basically Germany's/Europe's equivalant of Shot Show, though a large part of me would rather see what HK has ready at the related Enforce Tac show.

 

I don't even remember seeing the MR556/MR762 at SHOT... discontinued... dun dun dun.... 😱

 

News on IWA 2022 about mr223 A4 A5 A6?

 

IWA portion just started today. German should be posting any developments as he finds them, but if it helps, he did get confirmation that the MR95 (commercial G95 clone) should enter production late this year or early next year.

 

tjank you very much, good news at least

 

Does the MR95 also feature an adjustable gas block, just like the A4 - A6 versions are supposed to?
On the picture of the BKA approval it seems like it does.

 

It could/should? The G95's is adjustable, but covered by the handguard (which has a slot in it to allow for a bullet or similar tool to turn the knob like on the G28).

 

like every new version of the mr223 (a4,5 and 6) it should have the adjustable gas block, like the "real" g95.

 

And having the adjustable gas regulator not only makes them closer to the armed forces spec weapons, but suppressors are sold in quite a few European countries as over the counter firearms accessories. I also believe that some European countries endorse/encourage their use for hunting and sport shooting, especially indoor ranges.

 

One notable exception would be the French Army's 416F. Every picture I've seen shows a solid, non-adjustable gas block.

 

Are we ever going to get anything like this in the US?

 

Very unlikely unless it's more back channel import stuff.

 

news?! is nearly 1 years from the "bka approval" for the mr95 and the a4,5 and 6 mr223...

sadly, at iwa hk didn't show the newer mr223, only the military version...

i know the A3 is fantastic, and with the slim barrel and without the stupid thick and useless profile is more appealing, but i don't' wont buy now the "older" version!

 

news?! is nearly 1 years from the "bka approval" for the mr95 and the a4,5 and 6 mr223...

sadly, at iwa hk didn't show the newer mr223, only the military version...

i know the A3 is fantastic, and with the slim barrel and without the stupid thick and useless profile is more appealing, but i don't' wont buy now the "older" version!

There's currently a war going on and Germany's decision to beef up their military is going to undoubtedly involve HK. Thus, HK GmbH is going to be focused on that for a bit when its favorite market (military) is in urgent need and they can shift away from their least-favorite (civilian/commercial).

 

No, that's too broad. I think there are significant issues on the US side. Less so, Germany.

 

I think there are significant issues on the US side. Less so, Germany.

That, we can agree on, is a significant problem as well.

Well, now that this topic has gone to the birds...time to fly the coop.

 

Problem is that HK can boost output by licensing production (like they did with the G3/HK91), but the German "weapons of war" laws and US laws with the NFA put a big kink in that. The "weapons of war" stuff may change since Merkel is out and the new chancellor sees how bad off the German Armed Forces are compared to most other NATO countries and wants Germany to take more of their defense needs into their own hands.

Less so here in the US, where right now we have a gun owner unfriendly president, a wishy-washy congress, and a supreme court that wants to stay as hands off on the issue as they can. Not to mention that states due to the 9th and 10th Amendments can also go their own way to a large degree with firearms regs.

Until all of this gets settled (which I doubt it will any time soon), HK will have to expand German production, which as mentioned doesn't just happen overnight, and even getting stuff into Columbus doesn't seem as easy as it ought to be even for mil/LE people. HKPro missed out on the 433 demo at the shoot last weekend because someone was ahead of them in line for T&E or demos. If there's difficulties with that, imagine how the civilian end of the scale is doing.

 

Until all of this gets settled (which I doubt it will any time soon), HK will have to expand German production, which as mentioned doesn't just happen overnight, and even getting stuff into Columbus doesn't seem as easy as it ought to be even for mil/LE people. HKPro missed out on the 433 demo at the shoot last weekend because someone was ahead of them in line for T&E or demos. If there's difficulties with that, imagine how the civilian end of the scale is doing.

That's not why we didn't get the 433, and thus defeats your inference of evidence as to "the civilian end of the scale."

 

OT for here, but if it wasn't because you got bumped, why did the shoot get passed over for the 433 demo?

 

Actually... HK in the last 2 3 years have showed a good interest for the civilian market...a lot of 9mm pistols and semi mp5.
now the Mr223 a3 is like 7/8 years old since the debut on the Eu civil merket, i know, for us is like normal, you can find it easly in every gun shop at around 2600 to 3200 euro, in US is miracle find it for 8grand.
The A4 and A5 version is not a big update like A1 to A3, but still very interesting...

why is so hard find out if HK will release the A4 5 and 6 version of the MR223 in this year, next or next decade?

 

Actually... HK in the last 2 3 years have showed a good interest for the civilian market...a lot of 9mm pistols and semi mp5.
now the Mr223 a3 is like 7/8 years old since the debut on the Eu civil merket, i know, for us is like normal, you can find it easly in every gun shop at around 2600 to 3200 euro, in US is miracle find it for 8grand.
The A4 and A5 version is not a big update like A1 to A3, but still very interesting...

why is so hard find out if HK will release the A4 5 and 6 version of the MR223 in this year, next or next decade?

If I were you I'd go ahead and buy one now. I haven't been in the HK game for ages but from what I've read it's always a bit of a mystery if and when something will release from the holy halls of Oberndorf. Given the current state of the gun market and Germany being about to replace their main rifle for the army, I can't imagine HK popping out modernized civilian versions of their rifles, especially if the current model is still selling well. Purely my personal opinion o please take it with a grain of salt (or two).

Worst case, if you buy the "old" model, get the new one too

 

A big update about the mr223 in the newer version, A4 A5 and A6...

This update come from the official HK germany dealer and distributor, the A4 5 and 6 version will be available in the EU market, no doubt about that, but it will takes at least 1 year from now (so more or less the beginning of 2023, after a official presentation at iwa 2023) but the time for a brand new A3 still long, like 6 to 8 months.

this is the last update, and i think is pretty reliable.

 

Hi guys!

any update from germany about mr223 a4 a5 a6?

tjank you

 

Buy what you can get and be happy you got one.

I think that's the situation in germany right now...More or less.

 

Listen to this man! I recently ordered a MR223A3 11" in black and my local shop said 'maybe middle of 2023' according to the German distributor.

 

seriously?!
one year more for a 11" A3?

news about A4 5 and 6? is more then 1 year from BKA approval, german army contract pending, so...why don't procude those rifles for the civilian market!!! come on HKKK!!!